投资骗局：篇入大全

加力仔＿FIPF

原帖由 紅凌 于 1-4-2008 01:52 AM 发表

...怎样保持冷静，怎样保持冷眼旁观的状态，怎样保持耐性，怎样应付车轮战，观察别人怎样煽动人、说服人，观察一起同来的人怎样被说服，事后都会感到受益不浅。尤其是怎样在别人看来很好赚的情况下看出破绽， 是很需要用到数学的。

好的好的。。。几时有去，记的招呀。。。

孙子69

就以steven corner那个例子来谈。。。
如果我是老板，我有本事搞起一间，两间，三间steven corner..
那我一定可以有本事继续搞第四，第十。。。。n etc....

为什么要突然搞到那么复杂？去找百多个lot..要应付那么多lot..那么多股东。。。
好像搞共产主义似的。。哈哈。。。

假设，如果餐厅的营业年回酬率有20%,
市场上有那么很多巨型投资家，一笔钱就可以百万，消化完所有资本。。
为何需要那么大费周章。。。

还有。。经济市场本就是平衡的。。。餐厅哪区有需求，才会有supply...
无缘无故。。。开那么多steven corner, 供多于求。。。。
没顾客，哪有收入。。没收入，哪有盈利，哪有dividend 分啊。。。呵呵。。。

大概browse了一下那个帖的人。。。
都看到一种人。。。

“是不是不用做什么？我把钱投资下去，然后就有钱收了？？”
美国花旗银行都会有时候看错市场，投资失利。。。
市场上，哪有什么是包赚的。。。

如果有包赚的。。。sorry...
我没空在佳礼论坛生意论坛和你分享。。。
因为我是第一个飞着去赚。。。。

8years

8years

讲得好，数学真的要好，不然肯定算不出背后的不合理性。。。

不正不正

原帖由 孙子69 于 1-4-2008 09:30 AM 发表
就以steven corner那个例子来谈。。。
如果我是老板，我有本事搞起一间，两间，三间steven corner..
那我一定可以有本事继续搞第四，第十。。。。n etc....

为什么要突然搞到那么复杂？去找百多个lot..要应付那 ...

“是不是不用做什么？我把钱投资下去，然后就有钱收了？？”

这种人最容易上钓的 事后也许还会说, 从前很天真,很傻

hoollly

Ponzi scheme: 庞氏骗局
http://english.sohu.com/20050808/n226600428.shtml

股票上面,超过生产力的一切剩余,都是庞氏骗局的现代版.一个股票,如果从事一个事业,那个事业每年为社会带来效益,为股东带来100块的效益,但是在第二年110块的情况下,市场却以第二年120,第三年140的方式计算,计算出往后40年的赢利.基本上,这其实是骗局的一种.而对于一般人来说复杂的discounted cash flow方式,对此进行了最大的合理化假象.

thierry_henry

支持8years 及其他正义人士.
谢谢你们的分享,並指出骗局的不合理性.
说真的,有时你笑相信的人笨,那些人反而会倒回來笑你.
吃力不讨好.

[ 本帖最后由 thierry_henry 于 1-4-2008 02:52 PM 编辑 ]

Mr.Business

原帖由 孙子69 于 1-4-2008 09:30 AM 发表
就以steven corner那个例子来谈。。。
如果我是老板，我有本事搞起一间，两间，三间steven corner..
那我一定可以有本事继续搞第四，第十。。。。n etc....

为什么要突然搞到那么复杂？去找百多个lot..要应付那 ...

原来你们已经过去了，我也忍不住了，过去发表一些意见。。。

对了，请大家小心自己的语气，避免妨碍其他网友的感受（没错，我讲的包括你8年）

http://chinese3.cari.com.my/myforum/viewthread.php?tid=1147950&extra=page%3D1&page=7

http://chinese3.cari.com.my/myforum/viewthread.php?tid=1146080&extra=page%3D1&page=8

tan81

版主，为何不把INSBIO的那一篇，也放进来这里？
实在不想有人去EasyPhar或买它的股。。

Mr.Business

Easy Pha-max真是经典中的经典。。。

http://chinese3.cari.com.my/myforum/viewthread.php?tid=1063585

http://chinese3.cari.com.my/myforum/viewthread.php?tid=940915

陳光發

看了~不如也把我的帖子也link来这里好了，反正感觉就没有差别的咯~（顶着肩膀摊开手）

8years

放心，我语气变动很快的，大家都还很开心的讨论，没有问题

小小散户

只要集合了大众的力量，任何骗局都可以破解的

eric^zai

8 year 老板,雪隆版这儿也有这样的东西

欢迎你去调查

http://chinese3.cari.com.my/myfo ... e%3D1&sercari=3

四伯爽

刚刚看到的，管理层和大户吃人不吐骨， 虽然是在邻国，不过也可以拿来做借镜...
转载自http://malaysiafinance.blogspot.com/

Jaded

WSJ: The Monetary Authority of Singapore is investigating why Jade Technologies Ltd., a takeover target, delayed disclosing that Merrill Lynch & Co. had seized a large block of its shares, causing investors to lose millions of dollars.

The circumstances of the takeover offer for Jade were already under investigation by Singapore's white-collar crime unit and the council that oversees mergers and acquisitions.

Jade is listed on Catalist, Singapore's secondary board. The takeover offer, if it had gone through, would have valued the company at S$218 million (US$160.8 million). Now the aborted offer, by Jade President Anthony Soh, is threatening to undermine investor confidence in the Singapore market, among the most developed in Asia. The controversy has become a test case for regulators, with institutional and individual investors complaining that the system has wronged them.

OCBC, Mr. Soh's adviser, had vouched for his ability to fund the deal. OCBC subsequently withdrew from its role and filed a complaint against Mr. Soh with the Commercial Affairs Department, which fights white-collar crimes, for allegedly misleading the bank.

The saga began in February, when Mr. Soh said he wanted to take over the company, which has interests in microchip engineering and mining. The sole requirement of the offer of 22.5 Singapore cents a share was an acceptance level of 50%, meaning Mr. Soh needed to secure just a small addition to his own 46% stake to succeed. On April 5, he withdrew the offer after getting permission from the local regulator. He said he no longer had enough funds to continue with the bid. The stock went into a freefall when the market opened on April 7, sinking to seven Singapore cents from 22 Singapore cents before trading was halted on April 1. The shares have remained near seven Singapore cents over the past two weeks.

What many investors didn't know was that Mr. Soh had pledged a 30.5% stake in Jade, or 295 million shares, as collateral for a loan from Australian broker Opes Prime Group Ltd. to fund the takeover. Opes collapsed and went into receivership in the last week of March.

On April 1, before shareholders got details about the deal's financing, Opes creditor Merrill liquidated 95 million of the shares Mr. Soh had pledged. Merrill had received 256 million Jade shares from Opes on March 27. While Merrill sold out at 22 Singapore cents a share, other investors held or even accumulated new positions under the assumption the takeover would proceed.

Angry investors, who watched helplessly as Jade lost S$145 million in market capitalization in the first minute of trade on April 7, want to know why they weren't told Merrill had seized Mr. Soh's shares. "If public notice had been made, there's absolutely no way we would have bought any stock at all," said an investor who increased his stake in Jade to almost 5% on April 1. "Until recently we had an extremely high degree of confidence in the integrity of the Singapore system in relation to takeovers. Things just didn't go wrong," he said.

An MAS representative declined to elaborate on its investigation.

Merrill spokesman Rob Stewart, based in Hong Kong, said the bank "made the required shareholder notification as required by the regulations." Merrill was required to notify both Jade and the Singapore Exchange of its holding in Jade by March 31, two business days after it took possession of the shares.

The Singapore Exchange doesn't announce changes in shareholdings until it is notified by a company. It declined to comment on the Jade issue. Jade Chief Financial Officer Vera Lim said Jade received some information from Merrill in the days leading up to April 8, before it announced the change in Merrill's holding, but declined to elaborate. "On April 8, we received all the information from Merrill Lynch," Ms. Lim said.

OCBC, which had vouched for Mr. Soh's ability to fund the deal, said it had begun to doubt "the integrity of the representations" given by Mr. Soh. Singapore law prohibits withdrawal of a takeover offer without approval from the Securities Industry Council, which has oversight for mergers and acquisitions. The SIC declined to explain why it allowed Mr. Soh to drop the offer or if OCBC was bound to back it. The SIC "has commenced investigation into the circumstances that led to the withdrawal of the offer," an SIC representative said. "However, it is premature and inappropriate to give further details at this point."

A second investor said he bought shares expecting OCBC to stand by the deal. "I placed confidence in the fact that OCBC was involved in the process, and it stated clearly that financing was in place," he said.

OCBC declined to comment when asked if it was under obligation to back the financing.




Comments: The Bursa and SC should take note on the Jade saga because it could very well happen anywhere. There are numerous companies offering "margin facilities" out of Singapore and Malaysia. As these companies are not under the jurisdiction of the companies where it is listed, when things go wrong, the domino effect is at the expense of minority shareholders and investors who relied on available information.

To prevent such incidents, there should be new disclosure rules when the controlling shareholder or even substantial shareholders pledges their shares to a third party.

OCBC should be quizzed further on whether their grounds for withdrawing their funding was legal and in the best interest of the market's integrity. Merrill Lynch, which seized the shares from Opes is in the clear and they absolutely have the right to sell the shares, and they played by the rules in terms of informing the exchange and company. Maybe new rules should be put in place in the "delay allowed" when reporting sales by significant shareholders - one week may be too long. All exchanges and regulators, please take note.

SIC should be in a lot of hot water for allowing Soh to drop his offer - heads will roll. It seems that the only people not being considered or catered for in this saga were the minority shareholders and investors - they were basically hung out to dry, left to make decisions based on available information which were "outdated", materially different from reality, and left holding the bag. Tsk tsk!

[ 本帖最后由 Mr.Business 于 22-4-2008 11:15 AM 编辑 ]

Mr.Business

所以说诚信的管理层非常非常重要。

8years

管理层的诚信是非常重要啊。
不过这个比ｗｅｌｌｉ的还要厉害，佩服佩服。

Mr.Business

刚刚去了<直销、传销>区块看看。Moxxxx Waxxxx好象爆了。

这些拉人进来投资的money game，为何那些人看不出来的？我真不明白。还有几个我看也是money game，迟早没有掉。真为这些掉入陷阱的网友可惜。。。

http://chinese4.cari.com.my/myfo ... age%3D1&page=16

8years

我听过这个好像是不错的计划喔。
我了解不深，不知道你认为什么地方有骗人的成分，可以分享吗？

湖俊

直销版那边，好听的话，大部分都是灰色地带的产品，
不好听的话，都是一个局。

日日新鲜，可是还是日日有人踩进去。

他们把一种东西当成信仰了，很难纠正了。