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发表于 20-8-2014 03:15 PM | 显示全部楼层
50912cmea 发表于 26-10-2013 04:42 PM
大马的 GST 可以尽量避免重蹈其他国家的经历。。。

以新加坡为例,新加坡在 1994 年实行。

好厉害挖料!嘎嘎

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发表于 20-8-2014 03:54 PM | 显示全部楼层
沉睡中 发表于 19-8-2014 10:29 AM
(八打灵再也17日讯)明年即将落实的消费税,引发不少传统杂货商忧虑甚至恐慌,恐至少20至30%城乡地区业者因 ...

年应税销售额不超过50万不用注册GST, 大概就平均4万元一个月。传统的小杂货店会超过这个销售额吗?这些杂货店一般都是用现金交易的,哪个会如实申报他们的销售?
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发表于 20-8-2014 04:25 PM | 显示全部楼层
ManLoong 发表于 3-8-2014 11:31 PM
1.When you made a sales and tax invoice was issued on2nd July 2015 for 1000 + 98 =1098, based on t ...

真是乱啊!

"Where a cash discount is offered for speedy payment, VAT is calculated on an amount represented by the value of the invoice less the cash discount. Even if the cash discount is lost because of late payment, the VAT will not change."

这个应该是 UK VAT 和新加坡 GST treatments on prompt payment discount, 请看 PPD (Prompt Payment Discounts)

大马应该是。。。

Discount applies to both Net and GST if paid by discount date

The case for most jurisdictions, the tax is a straight percentage of the amount paid, regardless of whether the prompt payment discount is taken up or not.

请看 Retailing (revised as at 30 December 2013) - Example 11 on page 17 and Example 12 on page 18
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发表于 20-8-2014 04:26 PM | 显示全部楼层
ManLoong 发表于 20-8-2014 03:54 PM
年应税销售额不超过50万不用注册GST, 大概就平均4万元一个月。传统的小杂货店会超过这个销售额吗?这些杂 ...

不超过50万是讲吧了。去听讲座时就呼吁50万以下最好注册,加上政府时常反复无常.

怕到时没注册只怕会被刁难,我这边的杂货店常见LHDN的人来刁难的.
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发表于 20-8-2014 04:43 PM | 显示全部楼层
vrz 发表于 22-7-2014 01:05 AM
大家可以给点意见吗?
*采用 GST 10% 因为是外国例子*
The transactions are as follows:

大大,

请看 Retailing (revised as at 30 December 2013) - Example 11 on page 17 and Example 12 on page 18

From Example 12 on page 18
GST difference = (amount outstanding 1,060 * 10% cash discount) / 106% * 6% = 6

                                    Amount & 10% VAT Tax
Invoice amount             1,000.00 & 100.00
- Goods returned             (50.00) & (5.00)
After goods returned          950.00 & 95.00
- 1st payment                  (409.09) & (40.91)
Credit amount                   540.91 & 54.09
- Cash discount                  (10.82) & (1.08)
- Prompt payment             (530.09) & (53.01) = 0

GST difference = (total credit amount 595 * 2% cash discount) / 110% * 10% = 1.08

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发表于 20-8-2014 05:41 PM | 显示全部楼层
沉睡中 发表于 20-8-2014 04:26 PM
不超过50万是讲吧了。去听讲座时就呼吁50万以下最好注册,加上政府时常反复无常.

怕到时没注册只怕会被 ...

50万是GST Act订下来的threshold,不会随便改。

如果你的营业额是要接近50万,那么是可以考虑注册。通常传统杂货店应该不到这个数目。

LHDN会来查都是因为怀疑那个杂货店可能报少营业额或没有maintain proper business records等等。
这些就会让LHDN有机可乘,因为商家没有正式去做account,没办法证明他报的figure是对的。
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发表于 20-8-2014 06:06 PM | 显示全部楼层
Aquariel 发表于 20-8-2014 05:41 PM
50万是GST Act订下来的threshold,不会随便改。

如果你的营业额是要接近50万,那么是可以考虑注册。通 ...

那间杂货店以前生意很好的,因为附近开了Tesco和Giant,生意量掉得很恐怖,LHDN的人不相信,
店主就让LHDN的人坐在店里喝咖啡.结果喝了一个月的咖啡,LHDN的人脸黑黑投降,因为我也在对面看了一个月.

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发表于 21-8-2014 11:52 AM | 显示全部楼层
新加坡是一律 TAX INCLUSIVE
那请问在马来西亚的 GST 是不是一定要TAX INCLUSIVE 呢?
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发表于 21-8-2014 12:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
jaiceling 发表于 21-8-2014 11:52 AM
新加坡是一律 TAX INCLUSIVE
那请问在马来西亚的 GST 是不是一定要TAX INCLUSIVE 呢?

Retailing (revised as at 30 December 2013)

PRICE DISPLAY

63. On GST implementation date, retailers are required to display the price of goods inclusive of GST. The old price tags have to be discarded and replace with a new price tag. For the hypermarkets, supermarkets, mini markets and convenient stores, they can display the price by using shelf tagging method. Shelf tagging is a practice, where the retailer displays the price of goods inclusive of GST on the shelves.

For other retailers, they have to discard the old price tag and replace with a new price tag. The price tagging is done on each product.
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发表于 21-8-2014 12:45 PM | 显示全部楼层
50912cmea 发表于 21-8-2014 12:01 PM
Retailing (revised as at 30 December 2013)

PRICE DISPLAY

好的,了解

谢谢你。 :)

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发表于 21-8-2014 01:02 PM | 显示全部楼层
我想问register gst必须先知道是什么MSIC code才能register吗?
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发表于 21-8-2014 01:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
梦溪 发表于 21-8-2014 01:02 PM
我想问register gst必须先知道是什么MSIC code才能register吗?

请看。。。

GST Registration

Industry code according to the Malaysia Standard Industrial Classifications (MSIC) 2008 code
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发表于 21-8-2014 08:35 PM | 显示全部楼层
50912cmea 发表于 21-8-2014 01:21 PM
请看。。。

GST Registration

请问,Gift Rules RM 500 to same person same year, 到底是 financial year or calendar year ?书和网友都说是 calendar year, 今天第二次问老师他还是说 financial year. 请问 singapore 的 practice 又是怎样?
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发表于 21-8-2014 10:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
vrz 发表于 21-8-2014 08:35 PM
请问,Gift Rules RM 500 to same person same year, 到底是 financial year or calendar year ?书和网友 ...

Act好像只是写year,没说明。
不然直接写e-mail问Customs。

或者,你可以去看看Specific Guide > Partial Exemption or Capital Goods Adjustment 里面有提到如何算tax year。

A tax year in its ordinary meaning would constitute 12 calendar months and correspond with the financial year. However, for the purposes of working out adjustments by a mixed supplier, the tax year is also the longer period applicable to a mixed supplier. However, the GST provisions also provide for the first and final tax years to be a period consisting other than 12 calendar months under certain circumstances as further explained below



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发表于 21-8-2014 10:43 PM | 显示全部楼层
Aquariel 发表于 21-8-2014 10:04 PM
Act好像只是写year,没说明。
不然直接写e-mail问Customs。

有,这个 Tax Year 有读了,但都没有提到 Gift Rules。RMC 的资料都是写 a year / same year,很模糊。所以想参考新加坡的。
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发表于 22-8-2014 12:14 AM | 显示全部楼层
vrz 发表于 21-8-2014 08:35 PM
请问,Gift Rules RM 500 to same person same year, 到底是 financial year or calendar year ?书和网友 ...

@Aquariel

对,Act 只提到 "the same person in the same year" as below 没说明

"(2) Subparagraph (1) does not apply where the transfer or disposal is -
(a) a gift of goods made in the course or furtherance of the business made to the same person in the same year where the total cost to the donor is not more than five hundred ringgit; or"

或者,可参考 Aquariel 大大提到的 "tax year" basis...

这个 "same year" 不只没说明,除了得 keep a register of free gift, 也有很麻烦的 tracking problem in practice

来看看新加坡的做法。。。IRAS Gift and sample

Before 1 Oct 2012, 他们的 Gift rule 有一条是 it does not form a series of gifts and a series of gifts refers to a situation where 3 or more gifts (regardless of value) are given to the same person within a period of 3 months. 每一次给 free gift to 一个人时,得 check 之前三个月内有没有给那个人两次,这也是有很麻烦的 tracking problem...

所以 with effect from 1 Oct 2012, to ease compliance for businesses, the following changes have been made:

1) The series of gifts condition has been removed. Hence, you no longer have to track the number of gifts given to a person and you only need to account for output tax if the cost of each gift exceeds $200; and

2) You only need to account for output tax if input tax on those goods has been allowed to you. Hence, if you choose not to claim the GST incurred on those goods*, you need not account for output tax when you subsequently give the goods away for free.

* GST input tax is not deductible for income tax purposes if you choose not to claim the input tax under GST Act.

Please note that if the GST on the supply of the goods to you has been suspended, for example, the goods were imported under Major Exporter Scheme (MES), the GST suspended is treated as input tax allowed to you. With the change, you are required to account for output tax based on the OMV of the goods except when:

1) The cost of the gift is not more than $200; or

2) No credit for input tax was allowed on the purchase or import of those goods.

这样的话,每一次给 free gift to 一个人时,只有在 free gift value >$200 和那个 free gift 的 input tax credit has been claimed or allowed 的情况下,才需要 account for output tax 就比较简单了。

不然大大,您直接写 e-mail or call RCM 反映下那个 tracking issue 和 request for easier rules...


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发表于 22-8-2014 08:37 AM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
50912cmea 发表于 22-8-2014 12:14 AM
@Aquariel

对,Act 只提到 "the same person in the same year" as below 没说明

我们的Gift Rules 是不管你有没有claim input tax 都要 account for output tax. 所以新加坡的只作为参考。

email 他们都没有回应的,试下用那个 track. 谢谢。
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发表于 22-8-2014 08:49 AM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
还有一个问题,如客户hit到target, 送本地旅游,需要output tax 吗?算是under gift rule 或 composite supply 或 mixed supply?

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发表于 22-8-2014 09:58 AM | 显示全部楼层
50912cmea 发表于 21-8-2014 01:21 PM
请看。。。

GST Registration

好,谢谢!
我还想问这个是旧的版本吗?
http://www.statistics.gov.my/por ... rlinks/msic2000.pdf

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发表于 22-8-2014 10:44 AM | 显示全部楼层
vrz 发表于 22-8-2014 08:37 AM
我们的Gift Rules 是不管你有没有claim input tax 都要 account for output tax. 所以新加坡的只作为参考 ...

我想可以用cash voucher 式方法作reward. (可能要改agreement)。
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