Melee game各种打法，大家来谈谈吧。

请问Melee Game是official的名吗？不是Custom Game吗？

原帖由 Kill(dogs)Only 于 10-12-2006 09:28 PM 发表

轉貼的吧

简单的spelling都spell错，不会是转贴的呱

原帖由 小小征征 于 12-12-2006 09:56 AM 发表

简单的spelling都spell错，不会是转贴的呱

that right, 100% personal opinion

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原帖由 cynachen 于 11-12-2006 07:59 PM 发表


哈哈。。demon hunter's immolation no use？开玩笑。。early game用immo也是不错啊。。farseer？不需要吧。。毕竟是intel hero，死得快也是理所当然(其他intel hero也是容易死啊。。)

farseer's skills dont help much.

below is my reason:

lighting chain
-what is that, back scratching?

wolf spirit
-call it puppy spirit is better

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原帖由 junkai 于 11-12-2006 11:33 PM 发表
转贴的那位。。。不声明转帖还行，就算是废物(明明都是)。。。但是问题是严重误导人家。。。

当时GRUBBY被冠为WAR3神，有多少GAMES不是  靠FAR SEER
严重拥有SUMMON+ AOE(NUKE)的英雄不多，FARSEER 就是一个。 ...

我用英语是因为方便， 我的华语字打得慢。

还有，我不是来show off 我的英语因为我的１１１９ 只拿了５C.

你很不友善，你的语气很伤人。

try to use your org against 2 allied insane and you will understand me why org is the worst team ever.

do it when both of you reach optimum build.

org cannot tank 2 insane at once.

if you can do it, fine cause i am still noob.

this is all my personal view, it is wrong to post it out?

about demon hunter, it is a good hero cause when he metamorphosis, his attack become chaos damage and splash.

but remember 2 thing when he become ranged hero
-his immolation useless
-evasion 无用武之地 because he stay behind his troop.

one of the hero most important characteristic is to tank!!

do you know that how to slow down mountain king when his avatar on?

do you know that paladin can still receive damage when his shield on?

do you know that you can kill invulreable summon creature?

[ 本帖最后由 Demon02000 于 12-12-2006 01:25 PM 编辑 ]

junkai

我个人不介意人家用英文，那时论坛规则而已。。
先抱歉一下，我从来没有莫名其妙地不友善，不过，我上一个回复都是有根有据的。当你说的都有违我所知的事实，而且语气还稍微狂妄，难道我还会觉得应该友善吗。


Not going to try vs 2 insane PC... but cant tauren and grunt tank more easily compare to other races?
Orc is a a known, recongised tanking race to me...

Posting whatever you think is ok, but its just too absurd to me and your tone is not humble like "it's just my opinion". Yours is like "My opinion is the universal truth."

DH tanks a lot at early game , b4 he reach lvl 6. His immolation works wonder agasint workers and tier 1 melee...... as well as ranged if he reach there. Great harrass vs worker and great dmg output/ mana vs low life troops.

Hey these are nice questions. Im not sure but I try my newbie guesses.

-do you know that how to slow down mountain king when his avatar on?
= Purge?  possibly surround or blocking

-do you know that paladin can still receive damage when his shield on?
= shadow strike or disease cloud, poison sting?

-do you know that you can kill invulreable summon creature?
=some can be done by dispelled, death pact and dark ritual can do tat to own invul summons.

^^;

如果你觉得我狂傲兼自大无比...那也蛮准确的

但是我可以感觉到你是衡着我来

好吧， 我先来个对不起。

ok, time to solve the mysteries

-how to slow down mountain king when his avatar on?

answer:
earthquake

-how paladin receive damage when his shield on?

answer:
thorn aura

-how to kill invulerable summon creature?

answer:
purge or sacrifice ritual like you said

the best tanking group:
undead

the best tanking units
crypt lord

my undead has no ground troops, only heroes and crypt beetle do the tanking job.

and i can tank 2 insane at once, it is not an easy job, insane is no kidding.
Although AI is stupid but insane AI is very tough.

the heavy units like taurent, knight and arbonimas(forgot his correct name, he is an fat guy), i only buil till 3 or 4 units. you know why?

Cause this kind of noob die too fast. Only few blast from gryphon rider, dragon, twin head dragon(this one good)-----die instantly.

but night elf mountain giant is diffrent, he got medium armor which reduce almost all damage but take extra damage from normal attack.

soo i train 5 or 6 dragon and 3 mountain giant, enemy ground troops all kiss ground. since the dragon can harm own units (most of the time in early game, my hero die because of own dragon blast), i dont train bear although the bear got very good healing skill but they die soo fast because of own dragon blast. mountain giant is a good choice since he can reduce magic damage.

one more thing, every race got good tanking units

org
taurent

undead
arbonimas---this unit stupid, i never train it

human
knight, armor 11, plus paladin defense aura, 15.5, plus inner fire, 20.5, Gorsh. >.<

night elf
bear
mountain giant--make a perfect team combination with twin head dragon, got vry nice medium armor and look cute too

还有一点，请别用short form，小弟我看不懂

[ 本帖最后由 Demon02000 于 12-12-2006 02:43 PM 编辑 ]

sorry, double posted, pls delete.

i hate to spam

[ 本帖最后由 Demon02000 于 12-12-2006 01:53 PM 编辑 ]

cynachen

别吵了。。来个一对一最实际！！！

我对player的时候超没信心，压力很重，应为我一开始是在防守的，不会攻击。

base on my past experience:

let say you are playing with both players and insane AI,
it is merely impossible for you to handle your enemies at once.

human palyers are tricky, like to backdoor
insane AI got plenty of resource and like to strike other player second base and they reach thier optimum build very fast。

所以我的玩法是一开始能省多少就多少，好让我近快组成我的最强壮态。所以我在早期时特别容易输掉。

我个人是喜欢正面交锋。

try to take insane, and you will understand me.

you can say that i am a coward, 只会车大炮的noob.

还有一点，我觉得你误会了，我不是在找架吵，只是语气重了点而。

[ 本帖最后由 Demon02000 于 12-12-2006 03:21 PM 编辑 ]

cynachen

你每次都提到insane ai。。为何打ai呢？不如有空时大家一起练一练习也好啊，毕竟打电脑。。久了会很腻。。来来去去都是那几样strat。。还是跟人玩比较好，可以学更多，又刺激。

原帖由 cynachen 于 12-12-2006 03:38 PM 发表
你每次都提到insane ai。。为何打ai呢？不如有空时大家一起练一练习也好啊，毕竟打电脑。。久了会很腻。。来来去去都是那几样strat。。还是跟人玩比较好，可以学更多，又刺激。

也好

原因是这样的，我家没有line.但我又不喜欢在 Cyber Cafe玩
Warcraft因为太多leaver,很浪费时间。。。

所以只能打insane...

你说得对，我早就腻了，而且是腻到爆的那种。

我一年前就把Warcraft给uninstall掉了。

[ 本帖最后由 Demon02000 于 12-12-2006 03:52 PM 编辑 ]

原帖由 Demon02000 于 12-12-2006 10:52 AM 发表


that right, 100% personal opinion

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farseer's skills dont help much.

below is my reason:

lighting chain
-what is that, back scrat ...

没人说你在showing off啊。。麻麻地而已

原帖由 小小征征 于 12-12-2006 03:56 PM 发表

没人说你在showing off啊。。麻麻地而已

那只是个比喻

junkai

哈哈，那么要抱歉一下。看看我说了不是针对你，而是你的意见令我生疑(似转帖灌水，错误(以我个人所知。。真的大错特错)，又嚣张)，那里还有好话说。我做人不说假话，那时就不跟你客气啦。现在才知道你有些斤两，不是转帖灌水，嚣张的有(一点)理由，所以没事啦。

>>>如果你觉得我狂傲兼自大无比...那也蛮准确的
最喜欢直接的人，来，干一杯。有本事狂妄我更喜欢。

>>但是我可以感觉到你是衡着我来
>>好吧， 我先来个对不起。
>>ok, time to solve the mysteries
都过去了，现在对事不对人。
我还真喜欢那些题目，有挑战性。

>>the best tanking group:
>>undead
Why not orc?
Abo << Tauren
statue << healing ward

hero wise is acceptable.. dk aura+coil on ally+deatpact on summons(free), cryptlord spike carapace
and coil from dk.

Very correct but in small map for 1v1, I rarely see tier3 air(those heavy air, griff, chims, frosties).
Mountain giants good for tank but that's all... lack of mobility so much. Also more useful in team game than 1v1.

>>还有一点，请别用short form，小弟我看不懂
那个SHORT FORM，有的花也不是有意的。。。点出来看看。。。

junkai

原帖由 cynachen 于 12-12-2006 14:49 发表
别吵了。。来个一对一最实际！！！

你最爱翘脚看热闹。。。讨厌。:@

junkai

原帖由 Demon02000 于 12-12-2006 15:17 发表
还有一点，我觉得你误会了，我不是在找架吵，只是语气重了点而。

没误会你要吵架，不过误会其他东西。语气OK，不过嚣张的时候讲的东西如果有点难叫人认同就不好。。。如果你先POST那些QUESTIONS 和 MEDIUM ARMOR(MAGIC>>HEAVY) 那些还OK。 在现实FAR SEER。。。IMMOLATION 好多都好像不合理。。

来打真人吧。我们(可能我而已)都还有点NOOB，需要加强练习。

junkai

原帖由 Demon02000 于 12-12-2006 15:48 发表


也好

原因是这样的，我家没有line.但我又不喜欢在 Cyber Cafe玩
Warcraft因为太多leaver,很浪费时间。。。

所以只能打insane...

你说得对，我早就腻了，而且是腻到爆的那种。

我一年前就把Warcr ...

WAR3 LEAVER 太多。。。你是说DOTA吧。STANDARD GAME 为什么这么少LEAVER

腻到暴就要找我们帮你了，我们可以让你杀的过瘾又刺激些
(LVIN同意否，可以算你在内吗)

hao1030

一天没看这里就发生了酱多事呀..
大家不要吵了啦..玩game have fun最重要...
你们都研究的很彻底叻..
关于那些armor啊..什么的..我一概不知...

cynachen

原帖由 junkai 于 12-12-2006 05:53 PM 发表


WAR3 LEAVER 太多。。。你是说DOTA吧。STANDARD GAME 为什么这么少LEAVER

腻到暴就要找我们帮你了，我们可以让你杀的过瘾又刺激些
(LVIN同意否，可以算你在内吗)

哈哈，当然可以！

Kill(dogs)Only

有很多人哦..
嘴上說到很容易哦..
做起來卻馬馬虎虎

好吧，是时候进入正题了

melee game 的打法

以下是我其中一个我最得意的心得

Night Elf base development

如何建一个好的base？

。。。

one of the most important factor is how to arrange your building position especially when your enemy attacking your base.

basically 你的base一定要难进易出，外窄内广

reason:
敌人难攻入，行动严重被组。军队分散，而且屋子可以帮你distract your enemy attention.
被攻时 ，你可以teleport回总部，从内部发射强力攻击.

可是night elf 的起法有点特别

这是我自创的起法, i call it satelite launching station, 卫星发射站.


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xxx=tree

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H=hunter house, i put it at the back so that it will not stuck my new arrival troop movement since its position is fixed.

D=the barrack which train male fighter, druid

W=ancient of wind

w2=ancient of war

w3=ancient of wonder, this bulding is placed close to moonwell so that the hero can easily buy the item

let say the enemy attack you from the low left corner, and as usual, you teleport into you base for rescue.

all the unit innate ability is...they are more likely to attack troop more than building.

with this strategy build, the enemy air force sure is the first one who come to you and their ground troops is stuck by your building. so you can easily finished their air units 1st then ground units.

if the enemy come from the middle road, directly strike your tree of eternity, they die in more horrable way.with all the moonwell u got, it is merely impossible for you to lose in the middle of own base (if both of the two force strenght is almost equal).

给给评语吧。

one more thing, never build ancient protecter---very very very useless.

[ 本帖最后由 Demon02000 于 13-12-2006 01:52 PM 编辑 ]