爸爸要破產了（還沒被訴），1年前割名給我的車和物怎么辦

jamespnk

割給我的屋子，車，會收回嗎？我賣了那些還會被收嗎？他們追究起來我賣了的錢也會被收嗎？

-香港仔-

屋子和汽车都是你的名字了，就算你爸爸破产，关你什么事，产业和汽车拥有人都不是你爸爸的名字。。


要告到一个人破产不是一两个月就可以搞惦的，从 Notis Kebankrapan 到 Perintah Penerimaan 再到 Perintah Penghukuman 最少要一年时间。。


http://www.bheuu.gov.my/jim   (Jabatan Insolvensi Malaysia)

jamespnk

可是我聽人說，5年前割名的給家人的，全部要收回，這件事有可能嗎

-香港仔-

我听人说，亚洲首富李嘉城住在我家对面闭门自修。。



屋子和汽车在法律上是你的就是属于你的了，跟你爸爸没有任何关系了。。

王律師

原帖由 jamespnk 于 13-4-2009 11:08 PM 发表
可是我聽人說，5年前割名的給家人的，全部要收回，這件事有可能嗎

你“聽人說的”是对的

怎麼现在人们的法律知識比律师还劲

要睡了，遲点才講詳情

jamespnk

重要的是他過后被訴破產時,他割名給我的東西受影響嗎?

长空任我翱翔

原帖由 jamespnk 于 14-4-2009 12:18 AM 发表
重要的是他過后被訴破產時,他割名給我的東西受影響嗎?

说白了～～～ 不会。

王律師

原帖由 jamespnk 于 14-4-2009 12:18 AM 发表
重要的是他過后被訴破產時,他割名給我的東西受影響嗎?

擠一些时间给你 （饭都没吃 ）

BANKRUPTCY ACT 1967

Avoidance of voluntary settlement

52. (1) Any settlement of property, not being a settlement made before and in consideration of marriage or a settlement made in favour of a purchaser or incumbrancer in good faith and for valuable consideration, or a settlement made on or for the wife or children of the settlor of property which has accrued to the settlor after marriage in right of his wife, shall, if the settlor becomes bankrupt within two years after the date of the settlement, be absolutely void against the Director General of Insolvency, and shall, if the settlor becomes bankrupt at any subsequent time within five years after the date of the settlement, be void against the Director General of Insolvency, unless the parties claiming under the settlement can

prove that the settlor was at the time of making the settlement able to pay all his debts without the aid of the property comprised in the settlement, and that the interest of the settlor in such property had passed to the trustee of such settlement on the execution thereof.

(2) Any covenant or contract made in consideration of marriage for the future settlement on or for the settlor’s wife or children of any money or property wherein he had not at the date of his marriage any estate or interest, whether vested or contingent, in possession or remainder, and not being money or property of or in right of his wife, shall, on his becoming bankrupt, before the property or money has been actually transferred or paid pursuant to the contract or covenant, be void against the Director General of Insolvency.

(3) For the purposes of this section “settlement” includes any conveyance or transfer of property, bill, bond, note, security for money or covenant for the payment of money and any gift of money.

看不明，不要紧，很多律师也看不懂

Law 是一回事， Insolvency Department  真正有執行又是另一回事

凭小弟跟 Insolvency Department deal 那么多年的經驗

你可以放心， 你不会有事  （除了有人-做金手指）

如在UK，早都 。。。。

tanglk

你是指这一個.
Avoidance of voluntary settlement
52. (1) Any settlement of property, not being a settlement made
before and in consideration of marriage or a settlement made in
favour of a purchaser or incumbrancer in good faith and for valuable
consideration, or a settlement made on or for the wife or children
of the settlor of property which has accrued to the settlor after
marriage in right of his wife, shall, if the settlor becomes bankrupt
within two years after the date of the settlement, be absolutely
void against the Director General of Insolvency, and shall, if the
settlor becomes bankrupt at any subsequent time within five years
after the date of the settlement, be void against the Director General
of Insolvency, unless the parties claiming under the settlement can
prove that the settlor was at the time of making the settlement able
to pay all his debts without the aid of the property comprised in
the settlement, and that the interest of the settlor in such property
had passed to the trustee of such settlement on the execution
thereof.

jamespnk

聽有個律師說已經修改和增加了新法令，割給我的全部會被追究，總之是割給子女老婆的，全部不能。弄的我頭痛了，昏

王律師

原帖由 jamespnk 于 16-4-2009 01:13 AM 发表
聽有個律師說已經修改和增加了新法令，割給我的全部會被追究，總之是割給子女老婆的，全部不能。弄的我頭痛了，昏

我不是已在8樓答了你吗

Jon少

有此法令，跟有沒有執行，有很大的分別

王律師

对
如在N年前， 帮顧客把欠債人诉破產，过后，欠債人 - 马照跑， 舞照跳， 一样出国吃风

顧客问起我， ”破產了不是不能出国的吗:@ :@ “
”花了那么多钱诉他破產， 都没分别:@ :@ :@“

问到我口啞啞， 无他， 是因为 Insolvency Department 没做事 （做事慢）
那时， 我们的政府还没那么 “e“ （e-government）
Insolvency Department 的知料， 没有那么快傳遞给 Immigration Department， 所以不会被禁出国

現在， 你試試看

-香港仔-

财产是你的就是你的，你爸爸破产与你无关。。



1967 年破产法令第 52 条文的关键 ：


(1)  incumbrancer in good faith and for valuable consideration.

(2)  a settlement made on or for the wife or children of the settlor of property which has accrued to the settlor after marriage in right of his wife.


法律是死的、人是活的，破产局申请庭令宣判任何 settlement of property 无效，不是那么简单的啦。。

henghuat1982

不会，我公公破产前一年割名一块地给我爸爸，都没中招。。。

kaiyet

理论上来说：Act of bankruptcy commit前2年内transfer的是void
除非falls under 3个exceptions:
1）consideration for marriage:你爸爸割给你做结婚礼物
2）bona fide purchaser for valuable consideration: 不知情的第三者向你用真金白银买，但是理论上如果是亲属的话，bona fide就很难证明了。
3）（英文忘了）就是祖业传给儿子，然后儿子给老婆，儿子破产。（好像是酱，很少用到，所以不记得了）

5年内的就voidable

但是就一如之前所言，理论是理论，现实是现实。JIM有没有去法庭申请拿回就很难说了。JIM现有大概30万个files，不要说多，1/3的file有这样的transfer就够了，需要多少人力来处理？
而且预计这几年，人数会不停飙升~~

[ 本帖最后由 kaiyet 于 27-4-2009 09:21 AM 编辑 ]

Rothschild

应该就不会有事，
如果你怕的话，就再隔多几次咯，
首先隔给老婆儿子，再割来割去酱
要追究起来，以马来西亚的执行力，应该要一百年后。。。

况且，那么多人破产，应该不轮到追究你

《文治征塵》

OF

原帖由 -香港仔- 于 13-4-2009 11:15 PM 发表



我听人说，亚洲首富李嘉城住在我家对面闭门自修。。



屋子和汽车在法律上是你的就是属于你的了，跟你爸爸没有任何关系了。。

凡是在5年前里(從被法庭叛了BAMKRUPT)所轉名或賣的產業給自己的親人(包括老婆/老公,兒女等)都會被敗產局押收.如果產業賣了那你就要將賣了的錢吐出來........

北风沙

如果產業賣了那你就要將賣了的錢吐出來........
《文治征塵》 发表于 27-4-2009 10:52 PM

不给会如何？还不是要被诉破产了，谁会酱傻把钱吐出来？

咖啡猫

你“聽人說的”是对的

怎麼现在人们的法律知識比律师还劲

要睡了，遲点才講詳情
王律師 发表于 14-4-2009 12:01 AM

酱你就要upgrade一下自己咯

应该就不会有事，
如果你怕的话，就再隔多几次咯，
首先隔给老婆儿子，再割来割去酱
要追究起来，以马来西亚的执行力，应该要一百年后。。。

况且，那么多人破产，应该不轮到追究你
Rothschild 发表于 27-4-2009 04:41 PM

劲！！
酱也被你想到 {:3_84:}