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历史不记得之--94年团结党谁先跳槽?(#229)

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 楼主| 发表于 27-4-2013 12:11 PM | 显示全部楼层
沙巴仔 发表于 27-4-2013 12:08 PM
alexsuen大大,

人家这里的斑竹好像不大欢迎我这个沙巴仔啊,

没关系
两边跑
这里版主欢迎你的
可能他怕羞不好意思讲出来

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发表于 27-4-2013 12:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
alexsuen 发表于 27-4-2013 12:11 PM
没关系
两边跑
这里版主欢迎你的


这里其中一位斑竹二三次删我的贴,我多次留言和发贴要求
他说出他删我贴的理由,他完全不管你查问他的理由,只有一次
在我多次向他查问并告上网管才简单回我说我“恶意灌水”四
个字。。。

大大你看我的贴不多吧,但你看到我的贴有他所说的恶意灌水
或粗言粗语对其他网友吗?

我们大家都是年轻人有时遇到不讲理的网友无厘头和无理的回答,
我有时发言可能比较粗线条一点,但我从来不会粗口向人。。。。






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 楼主| 发表于 27-4-2013 12:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
谢谢PRM网友提供的有趣讯息

PRM 发表于 26-4-2013 05:04 PM
当年带领暴民在亚庀暴动的大魔头Yahya Lampong,林吉祥还大发文告要警察捉他,结果现在变成沙巴“Ini kali lah”的伙伴,还在“不怎么公正党”下竞选。政治就是那么幽默。

现在代表公正党上阵:P175 Papar: Datuk Mohammad Yahya @ Yahya Bim Lampong

March 22, 1986

Lim Kit Siang calls on the Police to arrest USNO MP for Kota Belud, Datuk Haji Yahya Lampong, for his role in the Kota Kinabalu riot of March 19   (1986)

Many USNO leaders have been seen, and photographed in the newspapers, as leading the demonstration resulting in the March 19 riot in Kota Kinabalu. I call on the Police to immediately arrest the USNO MP for Kota Belud, Datuk Haji Yahya Lampong, for his major role in the Kota Kinabalu riot of March 19.
安華:沙州巫統前副部長
耶也拉邦加入公正黨        

2012-09-17 07:54        
http://news.sinchew.com.my/node/261303

                        
                                                                                                         
(沙巴‧亞庇16日訊)繼企業家兼巫統資深黨員丹斯里依布拉欣孟努丁昨天退出巫統加入公正黨後,國會反對黨領袖拿督斯里安華宣佈,另一名前副部長兼前巫統丹絨亞路區部主席拿督耶也拉邦也加入公正黨。
安華表示,全國人民應不分東、西馬和種族,並跨越膚色和宗教的藩籬,在全馬來西亞大團結,達到真正的改變。

他表示,人民應攜手為這個國家作出重大決定,讓民聯成為下一任聯邦政府。

http://cforum4.cari.com.my/forum ... 32170&fromuid=14412


此人跳槽时是土权副主席

Naib Presiden Perkasa sertai KEADILAN
BN Sabah kian goyah


http://www.keadilandaily.com/naib-presiden-perkasa-sertai-keadilan-bn-sabah-goyah

TUARAN 15 Sept: Kurang 24 jam penyertaan bekas Bendahari Umno Sabah, Tan Sri Ibrahim Menudin ke KEADILAN, Naib Presiden Perkasa, Datuk Yahya Lampong pula  melakukan tindakan sama.
Pengisytiharan Yahya keluar Umno dan menyertai KEADILAN dibuat pada majlis sambutan Hari Malaysia ke-49 anjuran Pakatan Rakyat di Restoran Singgah Singgarung, Tuaran, Sabah.


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发表于 27-4-2013 04:35 PM | 显示全部楼层
alexsuen 发表于 27-4-2013 11:49 AM
不好意思,
现在才看到
谢谢沙巴仔一直来有看这主题


alexsuen大大,

你那几个有大量参考资料的贴已加精了咯。。。

ZONE斑竹真是言而有信,值得我们尊重他。。。

其实你的资料贴加精不会给删除的行动对我自己也有好处,因为
我自己写的贴很多资料是来自你那些贴,莫怪我自私为
了自己哦。。。。





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 楼主| 发表于 27-4-2013 07:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
沙巴仔 发表于 27-4-2013 04:35 PM
alexsuen大大,

你那几个有大量参考资料的贴已加精了咯。。。

首先谢谢你的热心
但我想你可能搞错了
zone是政经版的版主
而我之前说的两个主题是在沙巴论坛的
zone在沙巴是不能使用版主功能的
他言而有信是应该尊重
可是“技术上”来说,
这两个在沙巴的主题还没被设定为精华
不过没关系,
这是一件小事
沙巴版主看到了会自行考量的了
其实只需要注意注意下,
多顶顶帖就不会被大扫除的
我也会去尝试下按报告推荐下给版主
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 楼主| 发表于 9-6-2013 06:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
66空难是沙巴历史转捩点        

傑菲里:六六空難事件
應視為改變歷史轉捩點

2013年 06月 08日 (星期六)

http://www.ocdn.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=35473


【亞庇七日訊】冰谷候任州議員拿督傑菲里吉丁岸表示,六六空難事件不該只是讓人勾起某件慘禍的回憶,而是要視其為改變歷史的轉捩點,藉此回顧過去展望未來。

傑菲里說:「我們必須反思過往所發生的事件,就比如沙巴石油合約是在空難發生後短短八天,就匆促簽署。沙巴的財政狀況從那刻起便每下愈況,每年流失95%的石油收益,發展方面可謂完全失敗


單是2012年,沙巴便損失了一百七十八億石油收益,得到的回報只是九億四千萬,可謂少得可憐。」

在一九七〇年,沙巴仍然是個富饒和讓人感到自豪的國度,現在卻已經淪落成馬來亞的殖民地,財富被引用在發展馬來亞。 反倒是自己家園內卻沒有清潔水供和基本設施,而至今還沒有鋪上瀝青的道路依然到處可見,這堪稱是聯邦政府的最大敗筆。」

從一九七六年八月開始,沙巴從一個邦國,降格成為區區一個州而我們的邦國元首也隨著降格為州元首過後,沙巴的保安和主權也遭忽略和典當人口結構出現巨大變動,大量不具資格的外人可輕易獲得身份證以及後來的大馬卡,諷刺的是道地的沙巴人卻無法獲得身份證,深受其害。事件後來越演越烈,也即所謂的"身份證計劃"和"臭榴槤行動"。」

「喚天呼地或是怪罪別人導致這場災禍,或奢望未來不再重蹈覆轍,對沙巴的未來來說,都無濟於事。唯有借古鑒今,才可改變沙巴的未來。沙巴漢必須愛護沙巴,爲了未來子孫,必須將這份愛護心意深植心中。」

傑菲里是六六空難紀念日當天在新布蘭空難紀念公園一項追思儀式過後,這麼表示。 一九七六年六六空難事件中,機上十一名人員全部遇難,名單中包括時任首席部長敦法史提芬,以及三名資深部長。

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 楼主| 发表于 13-6-2013 07:06 PM | 显示全部楼层
在出席今年66的一项仪式里,
老杨说以前没有要求调查66真相,
因为当时没有一项“新发现”
下一个帖有个“new fact”不知是不是所指的“发现”?

进步党主席杨德利坚持
须公布空难调查报告


07/06/13

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(本报讯)沙巴进步党主席拿督杨德利昨日表示坚持「六六空难」造成当时半数州内阁成员罹难,是为涉及公眾利益,因此,政府必须公布有关调查报告。

他说:「罹难者包括首长及资深州内阁成员,虽然我个人并不认识他们,但他们当时甫当选颇为强势领袖,(事发前)他们是由纳闽公干回来……这不是私人、家庭乃至单纯的政治问题。」

他是率领进步党一眾领袖前往亚庇新布兰「六六空难」纪念碑追悼该些罹难者后向报界这麽表示。

●杨德利表示,有关方面直到最近才从澳洲获得有关该空难的「新证据」,但澳洲方面基于与马来西亚外交关系而无法公布该份空难报告,「因此,有关方面必须从新的角度切入,这是令人令人感兴趣的。」

询及他在一九九六至九八年出任首席部长时是否曾向联邦政府要求重启调查或公布相关报告时,他说,这是因为当时没有出现该项新的「发现」。

询及为何联邦政府不公布该报告时,他表示无意就此事件出猜测。

杨德利也以本身穿上由本地艺术家所设计的「六六空难」衣服为例,指出这显示出坊间依然有很多人依旧关注这起空难,也想了解当中到底发生甚麽事情,「这显示此事件是涉及公眾利益。」

他说:「这是本地艺术家的设计,我必须说这不是我们政党所设计的;我们是透过互联网发现到,然后才向该名设计师购买,这也显示有人关注空难的事情和真相。」

另一方面,在空难期间担任人民党秘书长、目前是进步党顾问拿督末诺接受报界访问时指出,在发生整起事件时,他甫在内安法令下释放,惟仍在吉隆坡限制居留。

他表示,他后来返回本州,人民党上下都忙著善后和补选等问题,暂无暇去关注调查,但他个人心中一直有要找出真相的意愿。

●他指出,他犹记得当时联邦多名领袖向沙巴州政府承诺,将会找出真相及在国会发表白皮书,但迄今都没有下文。

他说:「我过后曾在牙买加出席共和联邦会议时,向时任联邦交通部长已故马尼卡瓦萨甘查询此事,但他似乎闪避此问题;但我记得国会好像没有就此空难发表过白皮书。

「他们当天去纳闽若不是因为石油,哪还有什为呢?」

末诺表示,目前人民依旧对该起空难存有疑问,想要知道当中究竟发生什为事情,因此政府理应公开该份报告。

也形容罹难的领袖们都是强人,他们的离去不仅是沙巴州,也是国家的损失。

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 楼主| 发表于 13-6-2013 07:11 PM | 显示全部楼层
西门西豹说的new fact,
是指东故拉沙里当年上了飞机,
可是被拿督哈里士叫了出来
这也许就是老杨所谓的新发现

但我记得东故拉沙里讲这故事之前,
好像就已经有流传着同样的故事了

New fact revealed pertaining Double Six air crash merit an investigation: Sipaun

http://www.sapp.org.my/law/111124_double_six_suit.asp

KOTA KINABALU, Nov 24, 2011: Former SUHAKAM vice chairman Tan Sri Simon Sipaun is of the view that the new fact revealed by Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah pertaining to the Double Six air crash, merits an investigation.

He told the High Court on Tuesday that based on the new fact he felt a re-investigation would help to determine the truth behind the tragedy.

Sipaun was speaking while under cross-examination by the defence counsel in the hearing of a RM50 million defamation suit brought by former Chief Minister, Tah Sri Harris Salleh against the Sabah Progressive Party (SAPP) and its president Datuk Yong Teck Lee.

Harris, 81, is suing SAPP and Yong for allegedly insinuating that he (Harris) was involved in causing the Double Six tragedy that killed Tun Fuad Stephens and all those on board the Nomad aircraft on June 6, 1976 in Sembulan.

Sipaun had chaired a forum on 2 April last year in which Tengku Razaleigh was a speaker.

According to Sipaun, to the best of his recollection, when Tengku Razaleigh spoke, he included some background and information leading to the formation of Petronas and the Petroleum Development Act 1974.

When asked whether there was anything that caught his attention in the course of Tengku Razaleigh's speech, Sipaun said: "Yes"

"lt was his first opening remarks in which he told the audience that every time he comes to Sabah he is reminded of the 6.6.1976 tragedy. However, what struck me most was when he said that he was already inside the plane together with the late Tun Fuad flying to Kota Kinabalu from Labuan when Datuk Harris came inside the plane and invited him to join him and go to Banggi Kudat instead and to him that's how his life was saved because of the invitation. Personally, I found this revelation by Tengku most significant because this was the first time that I heard that it happened that way," said Sipaun.

He also concurred with the defence counsel that the revelation of the information relating to the air crash by Tengku Razaleigh was a very important piece of information.

He agreed that the air crash of 6.6.1976 is an important historical event to sabah and that up to now he still does not know the real cause of the accident.

When Sipaun was referred to the two newspaper reports, he agreed with the first defendant's call for a re-investigation into the air crash and that as a member of public he agreed with the counsel that he wanted to know the truth behind the air crash.

When asked whether he agreed that the best way to find out the truth is to have a tribunal to investigate into the cause of the air crash, Sipaun ,answered: "Yes, I would agree if it is one of the possible means of knowing the truth."

When cross-examined by the plaintiff counsel, Sipaun was asked if he agreed that taken in ordinary context the revelation made by Tengku Razaleigh maintained the facts as to the cause of the tragedy, which he described as “kemalangan" or "nahas", and there was nothing suggesting new facts as to the cause of the incident.

Simon then replied that he was not sure what the plantiff's counsel meant by ordinary context.

“The fact that he mentioned "kemalangan" or "nahas" to me is not considered new facts. What is new development to the story is the fact that he was already inside the plane all strapped up ready to depart but invited at the last minute to go elsewhere. In my view this is the gist of the new development," he said.

Asked based on his answer that by inviting Tengku Razaleigh at the last moment to visit the cattle farm in Kudat, the plaintiff had a specific purpose to ask Tengku Razaleigh to leave the plane which later crashed, killing all its passengers, Sipaun said he was not in the position to ascertain the motive, if any, of the plaintiff.

Sipaun again said that he was not in the position to determine what actually went on in the mind of the plaintiff when the plaintiff counsel asked whether he agreed that the call to investigate the real cause of the incident based on Tengku Razaleigh's revelation, points to one and only one-that the plaintiff by inviting Tengku Razaleigh to leave the plane it the last moment, must have "known that something was going to happen to that plane later on.

When asked whether he agreed that since the new facts on the air crash was revealed by Tengku Razaleigh for the first time on 2 April 2010, it was prudent for anyone to ask him why he was only making the revelation that night, Sipaun said: "This question should be suitably answered by Tengku Razaleigh himself."

Further Sipaun said that he was not able to place himself in the shoes of Tengku Razaleigh, when asked by the counsel that if some one had asked Tengku Razaleigh why he was only making the revelation that night after 34 years, he would have given his explanation for doing so.

To another question, Sipaun said he was not in the position to agree or disagree when the counsel said that if anyone honestly believed that there was new information on the air crash revealed by Tengku Razaleigh, then the proper step to be taken is to make a formal police report asking for a new probe on the air crash and not to sensationalize it in the newspapers.

"I am not in the position to agree or disagree because i am not, familiar with the proper steps that need to be taken under the circumstances," he said.

Further the plaintiff's counsel asked; "Do you agree that you support the call for re-investigation on the incident because of Tengku Razaleigh's revelation that the Plaintiff last moment invitation to him to leave the plane saved his life?"

Sipaun answered that he was supportive of the case being revisited on 'the grounds that new information which had not been available before had become available.

Asked to be specific on what he meant by new information which had not been available before becoming available, Sipaun replied: “The fact that Tengku Razaleigh was already seated in the plane together with the late Tun Fuad Stephens and the rest and was asked to get off the plane at the last minute. This is something I have never heard of before."

Sipaun was also asked whether he agreed that all process of investigations were conducted "on the need to know basis" and that only the final outcome of the investigation shall be made public.

He said that he was not in the position to agree simply because he had naver been an investigator and he was not sure of the modus operandi for investigators to do their investigating.

He also said that he was not aware whether or not Tengku Razaleigh was interviewed by any investigating team concerning the facts he revealed on 2 April 2010.

To another question, Sipaun did not dispute when thd counsel said that other than the facts disclosed by Tengku Razaleigh that he was al ready seated behind the late Tun Fuad when the plaintiff invited him to leave the plane, there was nothing new about the incident he revealed.

The plaintiff's counsel then put it to Sipaun that both Tengku Razaleigh and the plantiff were, in the highest order of protocol, very disrespectful to the then Chief Minister if it was true that Tengku Razaleigh was already seated behind the late Tun Fuad when the plaintiff invited him to leave the plane to which he simply obliged; and therefore both Tengku Razaleigh and the plaintiff would not have done so.

Sipaun replied: "rorocol is a matter of formal against informal behaviour of the people concerned. Some leaders are less protocolly conscious whereas other are more protocolly conscious, so in this incident it is very difficult for me to as certain whether this was a protocol breach of observance having regard to the fact that as far as I am awaie Tun Fuad, Tengku Razaleigh and Datuk Harris also happened to be very close friends," he said.

The trial was held before Hish Court judge Datuk Abdul Rahman Sebli. Counsels Yunof Maringking and Trevor Maringking acted for Tan Sri Harris Salleh while Datuk Yong Teck Lee was represented by counsels Datuk Simon Shim and Flora Dius.

The trial has been adjourned to Dec 5, 6, 21, and 22 this year.

NST

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发表于 13-6-2013 09:05 PM | 显示全部楼层
杨德利在和生园政治论坛披露过去曾经有飞到澳洲索取这事件报告。唯被澳洲政府告之这份文件已经被我国政府列为机密文件。是基于"国家"与"国家"的法律地位之下做出的承诺。换言之只有马来西亚国家的身份才有法律地位索取该份报告书。

杨德利披露在这样的情况下要得到这份报告书唯有进步党执政沙巴州政府,然后使用当年沙巴与马来亚签署的立国契约,即是沙巴以邦国的地位向澳洲索取报告书。

当年空难发生后,我们老一辈的人都很期待这事件调查可以公布于世,但是世间事事是难于预料的。有谁会料到今天的年轻一代会为一个人从七楼掉下来丧生打抱不平,却没有人会为当年整架飞机组人员掉下来丧命而伸张正义?

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发表于 17-6-2013 04:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
alexsuen 发表于 13-6-2013 07:11 PM
西门西豹说的new fact,
是指东故拉沙里当年上了飞机,
可是被拿督哈里士叫了出来

这个视频不知道是几时的:


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 楼主| 发表于 17-6-2013 06:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
PRM 发表于 17-6-2013 04:49 PM
这个视频不知道是几时的:

果然真相就是......
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发表于 17-6-2013 07:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
alexsuen 发表于 17-6-2013 06:01 PM
果然真相就是......

原来是2010年在兵南邦的演讲。

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYqRqN3-zWo
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 楼主| 发表于 17-6-2013 07:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
PRM 发表于 17-6-2013 07:04 PM
原来是2010年在兵南邦的演讲。

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYqRqN3-zWo

前面有讲过啦

時任聯邦財政部長拉沙里昨晚在沙巴杜順人協會和十四個組織假嘉達山杜順文化協會大廈合辦的「沙巴石油屬誰」對話會上爆料,說他當時身在納閩的他原本與敦法史蒂芬等人同乘一架小型飛機前往亞庇,較後再返回納閩出席聯邦與州政府當晚舉行的石油稅合同簽約儀式。
他說,若州人認為石油稅不足夠就要求增加,而不是對該石油稅款項不聞不問,否則不要怪別人



http://cforum4.cari.com.my/forum ... 1&fromuid=14412

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 楼主| 发表于 17-6-2013 07:22 PM | 显示全部楼层
这就是沙巴人了

姑里:去問政府石油稅花到哪裡去吧!
默不作聲  
權益喪失

http://www.ocdn.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=8607


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圖:民眾與政治領袖踴躍出席「沙巴石油屬誰」對話會。   


【亞庇三日訊】巫統元老東姑拉沙里指出,本州人民有權要求州政府與聯邦政府及國油重新磋商石油稅配額。

這名話望生國會議員也表示:「如果沙巴漢要透過州政府與聯邦政府及國油重新磋商石油稅配額,沒有可以阻止,因為我們是根據原來的合約去爭取。」

沙石油誰屬

他說:「若他們認為現有的五巴仙石油稅配額太少,可以要求州政府與聯邦政府重新磋商,我不是州政府的顧問,無法在石油稅事宜給予沙巴州任何勸告,不管是要求調高石油稅、擁有國油股權,都應交由沙巴州自行決定與爭取。」

他昨晚在沙巴杜順人協會和十四個組織假嘉達山杜順文化協會大廈合辦的「沙巴石油屬誰」對話會上,回應民眾提問時這麼說。

曾任財政部長及國油主席的東姑拉沙里當年負責擬定一九七四年石油發展法令,以致國油公司成立。

詢及我國四大產油州,即登嘉樓、吉蘭丹、砂拉越及沙巴卻是最貧窮州屬,拉沙里表示,貧窮並非一天或擁有豐富石油資源就可解決的問題,貧窮與社會、教育、衛生等息息相關。

無論如何,他說州人有權向政府追究,石油稅花在甚麼地方,尤其在消除貧窮問題上。

未出現爭議

他說:「去問政府石油稅花到哪裡去吧!如果我們還是默不作聲,我們將爭取不到應有的權益。」

他說,若州人認為石油稅不足夠就要求增加,而不是對該石油稅款項不聞不問,否則不要怪別人

會受受詢時,拉沙里否認本州政府於一九七六年與聯邦政府簽署石油稅合約出現爭議,即州政府當時曾要求廿巴仙的石油稅配額。

他表示時任首席部長已故敦法史蒂芬並沒有反對與聯邦政府簽署獲五巴仙石油稅配額的合約。

他表示,沙巴與砂拉越及聯邦政府簽署的五巴仙石油稅合約,乃是由時任砂拉越首席部長敦拉曼耶谷擬定的模式,而敦法史蒂芬贊同採用相同模式。

76年才簽署

他說,敦法史蒂芬認為沙砂兩州的情況相同,因此沒有必要擬定另一份合約,因而直接採用砂州的合約與模式。」

他也表示,隨着一九七四年石油發展法令在國會通過,而其受委托與各州政府展開商討時,僅面對本州前任首長已故敦馬士達華不願洽商的問題,因為後者申請貸款不被批准,問題於一九七六年獲解決後,合約於當年六月六日簽署。

拉沙里在會上也被詢及是否有機制可以計算,本州有多少石油與天然氣被抽取的問題,但他祗說一切在於信任。

他說:「若要計算是算得出的,我們可以安裝測量器去測量被抽取的石油與天然氣數量,問題在於,是否有此必要。」

他說,這種資料大可向統計局索取,以及根據國油的出口量估算。

本州應爭取

拉沙里也對本州天然氣被輸送到砂拉越民都魯,而不是留在本州自用感到難過與同情

他說:「連我本身也不明白,為何取自沙巴的石油得輸往砂拉越,沙巴也迫切需有本身的液化天然氣工廠。」

他認為州政府應大力爭取讓沙巴擁有液化天然氣工廠。

他舉例,民都魯以前的天然氣產量不多,但政府也一樣設立液化天然氣廠,如今該地已成為亞洲最大規模的液化天然氣中心。因此,沙巴沒理由不能設立液化天然氣廠。

石油進賬大

拉沙里也透露,從一九九零年三月廿一日至二零零八年三月廿一日的財政年之間,聯邦政府從石油獲取三百卅二億令吉進賬,分別來自登嘉樓(一百八十億令吉)、砂拉越(一百一十九億令吉)以及沙巴(卅四億令吉)。

他表示,國油在二零零四年至二零零七年之間支付產油州的石油稅為登嘉樓七十二億八千四百萬令吉、砂拉越四十八億三千一百卅萬令吉以及沙巴十二億三千四百廿萬令吉。

他也表示,本州的石油產量逐年增加,從一九七四年的廿一萬八千八百八十九桶,增至一九七五年的逾三百五十一萬桶,一九七六年時達一千八百萬桶以及一九七七年增至二千六百九十四萬桶。

該對話會由大馬人權委員會副主席丹斯里賽門西豹擔任主持人,吸引約一千民眾與政治領袖出席。

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发表于 19-6-2013 02:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
西门西豹主持这个讲座?听说老李有被邀请出席。谁可以问下到底这个讲座确不确实的?要订机票了。


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 楼主| 发表于 19-6-2013 10:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
PRM 发表于 19-6-2013 02:37 PM
西门西豹主持这个讲座?听说老李有被邀请出席。谁可以问下到底这个讲座确不确实的?要订机票了。

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 楼主| 发表于 19-6-2013 10:43 PM | 显示全部楼层
下文有很多资料一下

西马原住民的身份

http://www.orientaldaily.com.my/ ... 019:&Itemid=202
2013年6月19日
作者: Chloe , 栏名: 螻蚁观天

知道吗,马六甲也有原住民的。

对大多数人来说,这其实不是个「知不知道」的问题。有乎?没有乎?其实都不太重要。这是个海豚搁浅了人们也只会衝上去抬起来拍照的年代。 有位原住民朋友说,无论如何,只希望人们知道,除了葡萄牙人、马来人、华人、印度人、峇峇娘惹,马六甲也有原住民存在。

旅游业也许是衝击后最好的折衷做法。不过度展示,又如何能把常年在阴影中的呈现在阳光下?

谷歌一下才知道我的小镇上也有四个原住民村落,上一篇文中提到那本书的其中一个合著人,就来自母亲娘家的镇上。然而原住民是否必须生活在与世隔绝的村落里、人烟罕至的森林边上?旅游业?穆斯林有的,基督徒也有,城市里当然也有的。「原住民不是马来人吗?」我们不知道。

这里主要想说的是西马原住民。他们是马来人吗?不是,却也不能简单用几句话带过。他们也是歷史的一部分——课本上写的,马六甲王朝、各州歷代的马来苏丹王朝、米南加保文化、欧洲殖民时代、日据时代、马共,每一个时期他们都在,生活在我们知道的马来人、华人、印度人、欧洲人、阿拉伯人当中。

知道崑崙奴吗?金环欲落曾穿耳,螺髻长卷不裹头。自爱肌肤黑如漆,行时半脱木棉裘的崑崙儿?据说就是东南亚的矮黑人(Negrito)。西马原住民分为Negrito(Semang)、Senoi、Proto-Malay三大类。当中拥有类似非洲人种特徵,头髮捲曲、肤色黝黑的矮黑人可能是最早扎根于马来半岛的现代人类,亦是今天人数最少(约2000多人)的一支。Semang的意思,就是债奴。

此外西马原住民普遍也被称为「Sakai」,原意是奴隶、债奴,这个称呼在过去欧洲学者的文献中也被普遍使用。事实上过去原住民被奴役的情形並不罕见,即使在独立后,同样的工作,原住民所得的工资也普遍比非原住民(马来人、华人)少。Sakai用在今天,亦是带有山番野人意味的贬义词。另一带有贬义的是「Jakun」,为正式的部族称呼,属Proto-Malay。然而今天,Jakun一词却也被用作「山番」、「野蛮人」的代名词。

原住民不是马来人。然而根据宪法中对马来人的定义,理论上,人人都能藉由信奉伊斯兰教、奉行马来文化「进入」马来社会。在政府的同化政策与现实生活的压力下,西马的三大原住民,至少18个部族,將逐渐失去自己的身份和文化。

原住民是谁,知道这个有意义吗?並非要凸显悲情——种种定义上,他们都是被边缘化的一群。岁月无声,当我们在为民主醒觉骄傲,为捍卫自身文化奋斗的同时,不要让他们在黑暗中被消声。

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发表于 20-6-2013 02:55 PM | 显示全部楼层
alexsuen 发表于 19-6-2013 10:39 PM
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我问你们,你又问回我 ==

去问看Sutera Harbour那边有没有这个活动的消息。
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发表于 26-6-2013 10:44 AM | 显示全部楼层
alexsuen 发表于 19-6-2013 10:39 PM
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Daniel John Jambun确实了,我机票也买了,13/9 - 15/9, 到时见。



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 楼主| 发表于 29-6-2013 04:24 PM | 显示全部楼层
#229 讲到 1994年团结党谁先跳槽之后,
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Pairin and PBS still command respect among Kadazandusuns

http://www.malaysiakini.com/opinions/21719

Tony Thien
4:56AM Jul 20, 2002

         
When a group of Kadazandusun professionals, including retired senior government officials, signed up this week to join former chief minister Joseph Pairin Kitingan's Parti Bersatu Sabah (PBS), newspaper reports created more than a cursory interest among public and political observers it also raised a few eye-brows, especially among its opponents.

For one, it has been read by most political observers as the great respect still enjoyed by Pairin, who took over as the Huguan Siou (paramount chief) of the Kadazan community soon after the death of the Tun Fuad (formerly Donald) Stephens, the then chief minister, in a plane crash in Sabah during the late 1970s.

No matter how hard they may have tried to do so, there may be no way Bernard Dompok, president of United Pasok Kadazan Organisation(UPKO), and Joseph Kurup, president of the crisis-ridden Parti Bersatu Rakyat Sabah (PBRS) could fit into the same shoes in the eyes of the Kadazandusun-Murut community.

Pairin lost little of that and, in fact, gained more respect even when his PBS government was toppled and he went into the opposition for nearly a decade until being finally taken back into Barisan Nasional.

Public ceremony

Earlier this week, among the respected retired senior government officers from the community who joined PBS in a public ceremony witnessed by Pairin's deputy Dr Maximus Ongkili, were two former deputy state secretaries Ignatius Bantoi from Penampang and Claudius Roman from Papar.

The others were Sabah Housing and Town Development Authority (SHTDA) general manager Verus Aman Shan, Finance Ministry's former permanent secretary Jipanus Molukun, medical practitioners Dr Jaochim Gunsalan and Dr Vellus Junius, environmental consultant Dr Beth Baikan, lawyers Anne Gilong and Anita Periuk and accountant Janes Albanus.

A veteran Sabah journalist who asked not to be identified described these professionals as among the many 'silent supporters' of PBS for many years until they surfaced recently, promoted in part by PBS' re-admission into BN.

Even before this, PBS' own ranks had been bolstered by the return of five PBRS' state assembly representatives, all originally elected on PBS tickets, driven away by a crisis over leadership control between Joseph Kurup and Dr Jeffrey Kitingan, Pairin's maverick politician brother.

Rather than getting caught in between, the five assemblypersons decided to go back to PBS, bolstering morale within the party not to say its membership ranks in the 48-seat state legislative assembly.

"Although the Registrar of Societies has determined that Joseph Kurup, now a nominated state assemblyperson and state minister, is the rightful leader of PBRS, the fight is far from over," the journalist said.

"He is still going around as if he is the party chief," he said of Jeffrey, who was elected president by his own faction before the ROS eventually intervened and declared Kurup the lawful leader.

Single political umbrella

Another experienced hand in Sabah politics told malaysiakini that following recent developments, including PBS' re-admission into BN, the Kadazandusun community appears to be rallying increasingly around PBS.

"Even Bernard Dompok and Joseph Kurup believe that the Kadazandusun community should come under a single political umbrella," he said, adding they have talked publicly of dissolving their respective parties as the first step towards cementing links with PBS.

"Although its strength comes from the Kadazandusun community, PBS is a multi-racial party, and three of its present 14 state assemblypersons are Chinese.

Pairin would prefer things stay as they are, at least for the time being, but with PBS as the political rallying point for the Kadazandusun community."

Both UPKO (which has three MPs and two assemblypersons within its ranks) and PBRS (which has only two assemblypersons, including Kurup, a nominated assemblyperson) have already seen their influence gradually on the wane after PBS' return to BN.

A number of PBS men have already been appointed to local councils and state bodies.

Post for PBS deputy

Pairin, who served as a minister in the Harris Salleh-led Berjaya Government and as chief minister after PBS toppled the same government, is said to be more than happy to stay as Huguan Siou and PBS president. He is said to harbour no ambition of coming back as chief minister.

Speculation has it that PBS deputy president Dr Maximus, younger brother of former federal minister Dr James Ongkili, is likely to be offered a federal post, if he is not appointed to the state cabinet.

Maximus is seen to be playing an increasingly active role as a PBS leader in public, with Pairin takingwhat seems to be a backroom seat at times, attending only to more major matters and going down to meet party grass-roots.

PBS' rising influence in Sabah politics has, however, not gone unnoticed among other political parties. It is said to be causing 'some concern' to the party's opponents as well as some other BN state leaders, including those in Sabah Umno "as to what the party's ultimate aim is."

Public apology

Recently, one of Umno Sabah senior leaders Lajim Ukin, one of the deputy chief ministers and formerly of PBS before his defection which caused the collapse of PBS government in the early 1990s, publicly apologised to Pairin for his actions and asked for forgiveness.

In his usual magnanimous self, Pairin, invited by Lajim to open a public function, accepted the apology, saying "Let by-gones be by-gones and let's look to the future and work together."

This public apology by Lajim to his former party boss was given wide publicity in Sabah papers and must have made a lot of Umno members wonder at Lajim's motives.

"PBS has a hidden agenda with its return to BN," claimed one Umno supporter who is closely associated with the United Sabah Islam Association (USIA).

A test for the 'new alliance' within Sabah BN will come with the coming parliamentary elections, expected in the first half of 2003, when the number of parliamentary seats in Sabah will be increased from the present 20 to 28. The number of state seats will be increased from 48 to 62 with the changes to the electoral boundaries.

According to a PBS leader, 20 of the 62 state seats are predominantly-Kadazandusun with the Malay/Muslim community controlling 30 and the rest Chinese or mixed constituencies. There are presently only six predominantly Chinese seats.

Dicey issue

The distribution of the state and parliamentary seats could be a dicey issue, especially among the Kadazandusun-based parties PBS, PBRS and Upko.

So long as Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad is still around, it is not expected to face much of a problem when it comes to allocating and distributing seats among the component parties.

What will happen when he is not around and if Mahathir's successor preferd to leave it to the parties themselves to sort things out.

Without making an exit from BN, seasoned observers see an alternative to winning more seats by way of proxy candidates who after winning would declare their support for their sponsoring party or parties.

Unless the three Kadazandusun-based parties could reach some kind of an understanding before then.

Certain quarters already say the dissolution of PBRS is seen as something imminent other than for reason of merger.

After its internal crisis broke out it looks increasingly like a party with "a few generals and no soldiers" it has now been left with only one elected assemblyperson (Jeffrey) and one nominated assemblyperson (Kurup).

"If any member feels somewhat embarrassed to be a part of PBRS now, it is quite understandable," said another Sabah-based political analyst.

Jeffrey is trying to prevent the dissolution of PBRS so he can be PBRS leader, but Kurup is said not to be prepared to abandon PBRS and let Jeffrey take over something which the latter has been looking forward to.

And brother Joseph Pairin would probably not want too many Kadazandusun-based parties around as well.

Jeffrey may, therefore, find himself increasingly isolated politically, and possibly even without a constituency to stand on a BN ticket in the next state elections.

At the same time, however, the Kadazandusun community might then have managed to forge stronger political unity under one or, at most, two Kadazandusun-based parties.

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