舉債來投資 MEGAN 值得嗎 ? （九）

siaolee2000

九年兄可能只是开玩笑，如果是认真的话我非常的失望。我个人见的老千时唯一想做的事就是往他们脸上吐口水。:@:@:@

8years

我不是开玩笑，我只是想让大家知道，这社会什么都有。不要看小坏人的存在。有90%的生意是就是这样做生意的。

我只想告诉大家，就算是我也有可能会那么做。我不喜欢将自己变成大好人，我只喜欢讲一些事实。如果大家只相信那些“表面“上讲到自己多么好人的人，那么迟早会中招。

90%生意人都是为自己造想先。伟大的生意人通常是很有能力的人，因为有能力，所以才会变成好的生意人，我们也才可以投资。就如pbbank的郑老板。

如果有人告诉我们，这生意人帮忙大家赚大钱，自己却没有什么钱，所以要卖股。大家会看到什么事情呢？？相信这世界有好人吗？？

8years

大家在megan经历了那么多难道还不了解这次megan事件最大的问题是管理层？？我尊敬8k前辈是因为财务分析等等8k前辈都非常强。

但是如果我们认为做生意的会有圣人出现。那么他将为这看法付出代价。

peiren

料比金鵬集團更嚴重　媒岸控股驚爆7億假賬 - Friday, June 08, 2007

(吉隆坡7日訊)媒岸控股(MEGAN，7101，主板工業)假帳疑雲的消息傳出後，據本報了解，涉及的款額估計高達7億令吉，違規情況料比金鵬集團(TRANMIL，7000，主板貿服股)更嚴重。

消息來源對《東方財經》指出，到目前為止，該公司涉及的假帳款額，推測已累積到7億令吉，這意味著，該公司10億令吉的淨有形資產中，有7億令吉是虛報的；如果這是最後的數據，該公司最終可能需要注銷這筆龐大數額。

根據該公司截至今年1月31日的首三季業績，該公司共取得3920萬令吉淨利，若最終涉及7億令吉的注銷行動，該公司財務將出現一個巨大負數。

媒岸控股和金鵬集團最近陸續出現帳目驚魂，不僅使到市場信心受影響，同時也突顯了股東利益不獲保障的窘境。相比股價偏高的金鵬集團，媒岸控股假帳事件對股東的衝擊或許相對小，不過，從媒岸控股提呈交易所的會計調查報告來看，種種跡象顯示該公司的違規情況更為嚴重，且是非常有計劃性的。

傳出假帳疑雲的分別是媒岸控股的兩家子公司，即Memory Tech私人公司和新加坡的MJC；在這起個案中，Monteiro & Heng旗下與澳洲夥伴合作的Ferrier Hodgson MH私人公司，以及普華永道分別受委調查上述兩家公司的財務。最後的調查報告，預計將在6至8周後出爐。

根據交易所公佈的會計調查報告，Memory Tech虛構交易對象、誇大買賣數額，甚至宣布已明知無法落實的償還期限，其帳目與實際情況出現很大落差。

簡單來說，媒岸控股主要是把公司的資金逐步外轉出去，而此計劃可能與局內人有關，該公司向銀行貸款，以支付海外供應商，不過，資金去向多是虛構的，故此懷疑涉及局內人，與此同時，該公司也「自創」銷售數據來支援他們的財務狀況。

該公司為數5億7000萬令吉的債務中，部分很大可能性是無法回收的，當中相信有4億5600萬令吉屬虛報數據，債務收不回，將延伸嚴重的現金流問題，另外，5億8500萬令吉的固定資產中，則有2億1100萬令吉是虛報的。

該公司董事楊偉翔今日通過交易所文告宣布辭職，這位新加坡籍創辦人，在該公司財務問題浮上檯面之前，就已在去年的8月開始，將11.2%的持股減至今年2月的1.97%。

8years

什么人见到老千都会想吐他们口水

不过通常他们见到老千时，他们却会送钱给老千 因为老千不会再他头上写“我是老千“，他们只会写“我是好人“

LIKA

""該公司董事楊偉翔今日通過交易所文告宣布辭職，這位新加坡籍創辦人，在該公司財務問題浮上檯面之前，就已在去年的8月開始，將11.2%的持股減至今年2月的1.97%。""

是它本人提出辭職,還是董事們強制它辭職!?

ThermoFisher

回复 #1682 8years 的帖子

你说的我都明白，但并不表示他的这些行为是值得大家去学习，你说他是我们的＂典范＂，我就非常反感，你会这样去教育你的下一吗？虽然我们知道＂无商不奸＂，但那并不是说我们会容许或鼓励从商者做这些不道德的事去危害大众。

他可能是你的＂典范＂而已，但绝对不会是大家的。

8years

也就因为这个道理，所以我也推测印度老应该会报megan全部坏账，然后再销资从组。

但是没有想到连机器也是假的，超过一半t&r是假的。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

希望大家在这课题上学到最重要的东西。

8years

当你做了生意，你将开始学到书上没有的知识。我来这里不是要开课如何做好商人。
我要大家了解到商场上是多么的黑暗。我只喜欢讲事实。

没有人会容许或鼓励从商者做这些不道德的事去危害大众。但是世界就是那样的，你只有承认了这道理，你才能在商场立足。不然肯定没有多久就打包。

不要把人心看的太好。讲到钱很多人连父子都不认。这些都是社会经历，不是编出来的。

一句话：不要轻易相信任何人，尤其是头上写着“我是好人的人，我不会容许或鼓励从商者做这些不道德的事去危害大众“

ps:不是在说你，而是大多老千都是那样的。

kitkatlow

原帖由 ThermoFisher 于 8-6-2007 08:50 AM 发表
回复 #1682 8years 的帖子

你说的我都明白，但并不表示他的这些行为是值得大家去学习，你说他是我们的＂典范＂，我就非常反感，你会这样去教育你的下一吗？虽然我们知道＂无商不奸＂，但那并不是说我们会容许 ...

无商不奸，其實只是一個形容詞，描述做生意一定要採用某些手段，包括一些奸詐的。

但奸詐手段未必一定是壞事，他可能是對同行奸詐，對政府條例奸詐，對銀行奸詐，當然，比較缺德是對客戶，以及股東奸詐，因爲這個最沒有商德。

很可惜，世界不是想象中完美。

siaolee2000

无可否认社会上太多骗子，我们要提防。可是如果我们认定自己能力差，只有通过欺骗的手法才能赚大钱，那我们就注定一辈子只能是骗子，老千。

李嘉诚在创业初期也没有料到今天会成为华人首富。正是＇诚＇这个字令他取得今天的成就，这也是我的信念。

kitkatlow

我同意你說的話，但我個人認爲，奸詐跟騙子，老千不一樣。以誠待人固然可以的人心，但商場如戰場，兵不厭詐這個道理永遠存在。

新力當年就是靠奸詐，打敗了松下很多場戰役。

有機會開個帖專討論這個，很有趣的話題。

[ 本帖最后由 kitkatlow 于 8-6-2007 09:07 AM 编辑 ]

origen

Company Name        :        MEGAN MEDIA HOLDINGS BERHAD
Stock Name         :        MEGAN
Date Announced        :        07/06/2007


               
Type        :        Reply to query
Reply to Bursa Malaysia's Query Letter - Reference ID        :        IJ-070607-37071
Subject        :        Additional Information for Public Release (07/06/07)

Contents :

Further to Megan Media Holdings Berhad's ("the Company") announcement on 6th June 2007 on the Interim Findings of the Investigative Accountants ("IA"), the Company has, pursuant to an enquiry from Bursa Malaysia, additional information to provide pertaining to the background of the investigative work being undertaken by Ferrier Hodgson MH Sdn Bhd ("Ferrier Hodgson").

Following the meetings of 7th May 2007 and 11th May 2007 with the Creditor Banks, the Company working with its Specialist Advisors, Sage 3 Capital Sdn Bhd ("Sage 3"), had proposed the appointment of Investigative Accountants to investigate what its Specialist Advisors viewed as highly suspicious and irregular transactions. Pursuant to those meetings, the Creditor Banks proposed the appointment of Ferrier Hodgson as IA for the Malaysian operations. PricewaterhouseCoopers, who were initially appointed by the Company as Independent Financial Advisors ("IFA") to its wholly owned subsidiary, MJC Private Limited ("MJC") in Singapore, have more recently been appointed as the Interim Judicial Managers ("IJM") (appointed as per Announcements dated 1st June 2007 and 5th June 2007) will have responsibilities for managing and conducting investigations into the affairs of MJC in Singapore.

Concurrently, the Company with assistance from its Specialist Advisors, has successfully conducted its own investigations into certain transactions and misstatements in the financial statements relating to inventories in the last three (3) quarters ending with Quarter ended 31/01/07. These investigations have proven to be conclusive and indicate the deliberate falsification of the Company's performance by overstating inventory values. The extent of the falsification is deemed to be material. These findings resulted in the suspension of the Financial Controller on 6th June 2007. The Financial Controller and others are now assisting the Company and the IA in unraveling other aspects of the Company's transactions with particular emphasis on its trading business.

The Company and its Specialist Advisors have continuously updated the Regulators on its findings, with both Bursa Malaysia and the Securities Commission being kept informed. No member of the current Board (i.e. w.e.f. 8th June 2007) has been in any way implicated in the findings of the IA. At the Board meeting of 7th June 2007, the Board has resolved that upon conclusion of the investigations, it will be forwarding the relevant report and finding, appropriately documented, to the competent authorities to consider prosecutory proceedings. The Board has also resolved that it will use all available avenues under civil proceedings to recover the monies lost as a result of the irregularities.

The following are detailed responses to the queries raised by Bursa Malaysia on 7th June 2007:-
1. To identify items in the financial statements that have been misstated and to quantify the misstated amount thereof

      The Company, its Specialist Advisors, and the IA have identified that the following items have been misstated:-
      Consolidated Income Statement

· Revenue as a result of transactions with fictitious trading customers
· Cost of Sales as a result of transactions with fictitious trading suppliers and overstatement in inventories

      Balance Sheet

· Inventories as a result of misstatement of closing stock balances which in some quarters have been inflated by as much as RM100 Million
· Trade receivables as a result of fictitious trade debtors for the amount of RM334,299,536.93 as at 31st January 2007
· Other receivable and prepayments which relates to prepayment of deposits of RM211 Million for 13 production lines which appears to be fictitious

2. Details of the financial statements and financial period which are or will be affected by the misstatement and/or the interim findings

      Based on the findings to date, the Company, its Specialist Advisors and the IA have identified the following periods where financial statements were misstated:-
      Consolidated Income Statement

· Revenue and Cost of Sales for all financial periods dating back to at least FY 2005
· Cost of Sales as a result of misstatement of inventories for financial quarters ending 31st July 2006, 31st October 2006 and 31st January 2007


      Balance Sheet

· Inventories for financial quarters ending 31st July 2006, 31st October 2006 and 31st January 2007
· Trade receivables for periods as far back as FY 2005
· Other receivable and prepayments for FY 2006 and all subsequent quarterly reports

3. Details of the undisclosed related party transactions including names of related parties and the value/consideration involved for these transactions

      The related party is Info-Logi Canada Inc., a customer of the trading business that had purported sales transaction of RM21.4 Million with the Company in the 3rd quarter of FY2007. The Company has been trading with this customer in prior financial periods.


4. Nature of relationship with Philips, the amount due and implications that may arise in relation to Philips and status of negotiations to date

      The Company's wholly owned subsidiary, Memory Tech Sdn Bhd ("MTSB"), is a licensee of technology patents which are owned by Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V. ("Philips"). MTSB, due to current financial and cashflow constraints, is unable to pay the licensee fees. The IA report estimates that the amount due and owing is approximately USD500,000 to USD700,000. The IA is of the view that if the monies are not paid, Philips may terminate the license to use its patented technology rendering MTSB to be not able to sell its manufacturing products without infringing Philip's patents.
      To date, Philips has not rescinded the license agreements and the Company has requested for a meeting with Philips to resolve this matter. The Company intends to make payments for on-going CD-R and DVD-R discs manufactured since 1st May 2007.


5. Details of trading business that MTSB was involved in and the date of cessation of the trading business

      The trading business relates to purported purchases of recordable media such as VHS, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R, DVD-RW and HD-DVD from several suppliers in Hong Kong and Singapore, and purportedly sold to customers in Canada, United Kingdom, Hong Kong S.A.R., People's Republic of China and South Korea. The Company under the new management ceased all operations relating to the trading business as at 30th April 2007.

6. Details of the impact on the financial statements issued by the Company which are affected by the misstatement and/or the interim findings

      The attached schedule illustrates the adjustments for the financial statements for the quarter ended 31st January 2007 based on the findings of the Company, its Specialist Advisors and the IA's. However, it does not include the likely adjustments in its wholly-owned subsidiary, MJC for trade debtors, revenue and cost of sales. Further, the announcement of 6th June 2007 had stated that fixed assets of RM585 Million require further investigation and the realizable value is unknown. The Company will endeavor to determine the full extent of the impact on its financial statements by working closely with the IJM, IA and its auditors.





Query Letter content :
We refer to your Company's announcements dated 6 June 2007, in respect of the
aforesaid matter.
In this connection, kindly furnish Bursa Securities with the additional
information for public release:-
1) To identify items in the financial statements that have been misstated and
to quantify the misstated amount thereof;
2) Details of the financial statements and financial period which are or will
be affected by the misstatement and/or the interim findings;
3) Details of the undisclosed related party transactions including names of
related parties and the value/consideration involved for these transactions;
4) Nature of relationship with Philips, the amount due and implications that
may arise in relation to Philips and status of negotiations to date;
5) Details of trading business that MTSB was involved in and the date of
cessation of the trading business; and
6) Details of the impact on the financial statements issued by the Company
which are affected by the misstatements and/or the interim findings.


Please furnish Bursa Securities with your reply immediately.
Yours faithfully

HENG TECK HENG
Senior Manager, Issuers
Listing Division
Group Regulations
HTH/IJ
copy to:- Mr. Chung Tin Fah, Securities Commission (via fax)

origen

"The Board has also resolved that it will use all available avenues under civil proceedings to recover the monies lost as a result of the irregularities."

这段最动听！:@

8years

所以说今天8年已经给大家上了一课。

我要让大家知道就算是8年也有可能是这种人。希望大家不要那么容易相信人，尤其是讲到钱的时候

用常理来分析一个人的品德，不是用自己的眼光。杨天才也不想做坏人，只是当他了解到singapore自己的公司出现问题时，有一个富有和破产的选择，你会选那里一个？？

有头发谁人要做秃头？？？

Hansik

难怪骗子这么成功，原来天真的人一大堆。
赶快长大吧！！

[ 本帖最后由 Hansik 于 8-6-2007 09:23 AM 编辑 ]

Mr.Business

原帖由 origen 于 8-6-2007 09:07 AM 发表
Company Name        :        MEGAN MEDIA HOLDINGS BERHAD
Stock Name         :        MEGAN
Date Announced        :        07/06/2007

Type        :        Reply to query
Reply to Bursa Malaysia's Query Letter - Reference ID        :        IJ-070607-3707 ...

http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDMS%5Cedmsweb.nsf/LsvAllByID/48256E5D00102DF3482572F3004EE0BF?OpenDocument


XXXXX

6.        Details of the impact on the financial statements issued by the Company whichare affected by the misstatement and/or the interim findings

The attached schedule illustrates the adjustments for the financial statements for the quarter ended 31st January 2007 based on the findings of the Company, its Specialist Advisors and the IA's. However,it does not include the likely adjustments in its wholly-owned subsidiary, MJC for trade debtors, revenue and cost of sales. Further,the announcement of 6th June 2007 had stated that fixed assets of RM585Million require further investigation and the realizable value is unknown. The Company will endeavor to determine the full extent of the impact on its financial statements by working closely with the IJM, IA and its auditors.

Adjusted 3rd Quarter FY2007 Financial Report (For illustration only)在这里。

[ 本帖最后由 Mr.Business 于 8-6-2007 09:52 AM 编辑 ]

kray_keigo

原帖由 khokhokho 于 7-6-2007 08:41 PM 发表

5093 是最好的見証，你應明我講什麼吧。

5093现在卖，还有差不多两番开，不好吗？

kray_keigo

原帖由 猪先生2 于 7-6-2007 09:07 PM 发表

对！对！他们当年勇给老鼠咬了，哈哈，对了，CARI你们是时候翻开VIS给你们的忠告，还有当年批评他的小人们，全部给我一字行站出来磕头认错！:@ :@ :@ :@  

虽然我不懂vis是谁~但是你就是vis得分身.

ckyan

原帖由 猪先生2 于 8-6-2007 06:57 AM 发表
还是你最明白事理

虽然如此，但我也不太喜欢你一直对别人穷追猛打，冷嘲热讽的态度。

就算人家再笨，亏再多，也没必要践踏别人来彰显自己。我们之前提出megan有问题的人，也只是一种意见，到了今天也没必要把自己吹得多厉害。