“这不是家事” 李玮玲发文狠批李显龙“滥权”

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vvti_84 发表于 17-6-2017 12:40 PM
肯定沒有回頭路的做法

现在很多波仔的想法：为什么不要听老爸的-- 拆？

山地居民

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/n ... rt-to-first-8954994

kcchiew

阿扬又发脸书。。。他应该也搞个法定声明，反正他老婆就是律师 ：

kcchiew

山地居民 发表于 17-6-2017 05:22 PM
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/lee-kuan-yew-gave-express-instructions-to-revert-to-first-8954994

原来报纸也登了。

他第一段：

My father's Final Will of December 2013 was a reversion to his 2011 will on his express instructions
Read more at http://www.channelnewsasia.com/n ... rt-to-first-8954994

其实有问题。 因为小李说了, 就算是依照第一份遗嘱，有些地方跟第七份遗嘱不一样：

20. Neither was the Last Will a wholesale reversion to the First Will. The Last Will differed in significant respects from the First Will. For example, the First Will contained a gift-over clause with thorough provisions for the scenarios where LWL, LHY or I predeceased Mr Lee. This important clause was absent from the Last Will, and there is nothing which suggests that Mr Lee had given instructions for it to be removed.

所以，问题又来了，究竟是谁草拟第七份遗嘱？  就算第七段落（拆房子）依照第一份遗嘱，为何其他部份跟第一份遗嘱不一样？

谁在cut and paste？

kcchiew

就是阿芬在cut and paste？

原来第七段落是阿扬的老婆阿芬拟的：





但是，阿芬在草拟后给老李的信是说：


8. As I only later learnt, this issue became the subject of discussion between LHY and Mr Lee in late 2013 and on 16 December 2013 at 7.08 pm, LHY’s wife, Mrs Lee Suet Fern (“LSF”) sent an email to Mr Lee, copied to LHY and KKL (“LSF’s Email”), stating:
“Dear Pa Pa
This was the original agreed Will which ensures that all 3 children receive equal shares, taking into account the relative valuations (as at the date of demise) of the properties each receives.
Kim Li
Grateful if you could please engross.”
LSF appeared to have attached a file named <LAST_WILL-LKY-Draft of 19 August 2011.DOC> to that email.


（第七遗嘱增加拆房这讯息，却不需要透露？或者是错手置入了？）

山地居民

不过老李是认同了最后一份遗嘱，对吧

山地居民

张副总理又开口了
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/n ... y-road-home-8955084

Following the passing of Mr Lee Kuan Yew, PM Lee Hsien Loong had recused himself from all Government decisions to be taken on 38 Oxley Road. I chair Cabinet should any deliberations take place on this property.

I set up a Ministerial Committee to consider the options for 38 Oxley Road and the implications of these options. This was explained in the statement by the Cabinet Secretary of 14 June 2017.

There is nothing “secret” about this committee. It is a committee like numerous other committees that Cabinet may set up from time to time to consider specific issues. I chair this particular committee, and included cabinet members responsible for heritage, land issues and urban planning, i.e. Minister for Culture, Community and
Youth Grace Fu, Minister for Law K Shanmugam, and Minister for National Development Lawrence Wong.

kcchiew

山地居民 发表于 17-6-2017 06:09 PM
不过老李是认同了最后一份遗嘱，对吧

这得问他们，为何第五份遗嘱开始就没有拆房的段落，可能是有人反对（小李？）。

老李当时要改第五份遗嘱（去除拆房的第七段落），他有没有可能在第七份遗嘱悄悄又把第七段落放回去？   为什么？

补充：或者，是国会反对老李拆房子？ 否则小李为何要向国会报告拆房子这件事？ 还是像阿玲说的，小李一开始就反对这事？

Far from making any threats or opposing making Mr Lee’s wishes public, I also proposed reading out in Parliament Mr Lee’s letter to Cabinet of 27 December 2011, as well as the Demolition Clause. LHY and LSF strenuously objected. They argued that I could not read out Mr Lee’s letter, because (they claimed) of the Official Secrets Act. When I held firm, they told me that I could only read the first half of the Demolition Clause, i.e. excluding that part about what Mr Lee wanted done to the House if it is not demolished.  I made clear that I intended to make public both Mr Lee’s letter of 27 December 2011 and the entire Demolition Clause, which I did when I spoke in Parliament on 13 April 2015. I also told Parliament that the Government would only consider the question of what to do with the House as and when LWL ceased to live in it.

山地居民

里面当中肯定是有些人想要保留那间房子，或许要把它变成博物馆还是什么之类的来纪念老李，或许有政治企图

之前有过专访，老李自己亲口讲希望在他死后把房子拆了

山地居民

regarding the committee set-up...

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/n ... ndamentally-8955140

kcchiew

山地居民 发表于 17-6-2017 06:48 PM
里面当中肯定是有些人想要保留那间房子，或许要把它变成博物馆还是什么之类的来纪念老李，或许有政治企图

之前有过专访，老李自己亲口讲希望在他死后把房子拆了

阿扬和阿玲原先也是这么说的。

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByodqaSLlpPIWHdRdFE2QlZYbzg/view


但请想想，小李还能做几年的总理？ 阿扬和阿玲应该也想到这点，所以同时指控小李要把孩子给带上位。

小李要保留房子，只为了要增加/保留自己的权利？




写到这里，我忽然想到，为何遗嘱只吵了两年多？ 2011年8月到2013年12月，七份遗嘱。  明显的，小李不知道第七份遗嘱是要拆房子的，他若知道了，会不会要老李改第八份遗嘱？ （小李可能也不知道其他遗嘱的细节，否则后来就不会摊开比较其他六份遗嘱）

为什么要瞒小李？

我不相信小李要保留房子的原因是为了政权（他有什么政权能保留的？），但我知道阿扬（还有阿玲）不高兴自己处理房子后，还要捐款给慈善机构（被小李逼的）。

kcchiew

山地居民 发表于 17-6-2017 06:49 PM
regarding the committee set-up...

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/composition-of-38-oxley-road-ministerial-committee-fundamentally-8955140

阿扬阿玲现在很怕内阁涉入房子的事， 但是以前(那是草拟第六份遗嘱时）就很高兴的分享孩子拿多点股份的消息：
（看了这么多攻防战，我感觉阿芬很假。。。）

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kcchiew 发表于 17-6-2017 07:15 PM
阿扬和阿玲原先也是这么说的。

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByodqaSLlpPIWHdRdFE2QlZYbzg/view


但请想想，小李还能做几年的总理？ 阿扬和阿玲应该也想到这点，所以同时指控小李要把孩子给带上位。 ...

老李有讲过，这些是私人财产，不用捐慈善的，从EMAIL内看来，老李很生气阿玲之前想要捐慈善？是小李为了报复，强迫弟妹用市价跟小李买下，然后还要多出50%捐慈善。所以总共要付150%！

而且做博物馆被人参观，搞个人崇拜，这些老李本来就不想这样。只是小李就算不是为了政权，可能比较喜欢被人Workship，当偶像? 所以一厢情愿要保留房子。

富时金

kcchiew 发表于 17-6-2017 07:30 PM
阿扬阿玲现在很怕内阁涉入房子的事， 但是以前(那是草拟第六份遗嘱时）就很高兴的分享孩子拿多点股份的消息：
（看了这么多攻防战，我感觉阿芬很假。。。）

内阁好像有权利把房子收归国有，这样阿玲什么都完了，当然怕呀。他们现在要闹大事情，就是要阻止政府把房子收归国家的变成什么文化遗产，这样屋子就不能动了，也没办法起Condo了。

重新发展那块地,起Condo 本来也是老李生前访问时的视频就希望是这样的，所以阿玲 阿杨维护老李的意愿没有错。

kcchiew

富时金 发表于 17-6-2017 07:33 PM
老李有讲过，这些是私人财产，不用捐慈善的，从EMAIL内看来，老李很生气阿玲之前想要捐慈善？是小李为了报复，强迫弟妹用市价跟小李买下，然后还要多出50%捐慈善。所以总共要付150%！

而且做博物馆被人参观，搞 ...

阿玲的脸书写得不清不楚，应该是这样的：

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and his brother Lee Hsien Yang have each agreed to donate half the value of Mr Lee Kuan Yew's Oxley Road house to eight charities, in honour of their father.

http://www.straitstimes.com/politics/lee-family-to-donate-value-of-38-oxley-rd-to-eight-charities

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kcchiew 发表于 17-6-2017 07:39 PM
阿玲的脸书写得不清不楚，应该是这样的：

http://www.straitstimes.com/politics/lee-family-to-donate-value-of-38-oxley-rd-to-eight-charities

小李都不用出半分钱？只需把阿杨给他的那部分捐给慈善。阿杨要给大哥，要给慈善，要给两份喔。你说这不是在为难弟弟吗？

kcchiew

富时金 发表于 17-6-2017 07:35 PM
内阁好像有权利把房子收归国有，这样阿玲什么都完了，当然怕呀。他们现在要闹大事情，就是要阻止政府把房子收归国家的变成什么文化遗产，这样屋子就不能动了，也没办法起Condo了。

重新发展那块地,起Condo 本来 ...

如果是这样的话，老李就不会在第五份遗嘱开始取消铲除房子的决定。

（第四份和第五份遗嘱中间应该有些事情发生，只是我们不知道罢了。）



阿扬和阿玲其实很会“造势”，请看：

（这里要声明，他们贴的只是遗嘱第七段落的一半，另外一半没贴出来）

LKY’s Last Will statement found all over National Museum of S’pore exhibition



阿扬给的第七段落全文：

kcchiew

富时金 发表于 17-6-2017 07:41 PM
小李都不用出半分钱？只需把阿杨给他的那部分捐给慈善。阿杨要给大哥，要给慈善，要给两份喔。你说这不是在为难弟弟吗？

小李没打算收半分钱，在他还没怀疑第七份遗嘱有问题时（他当时没怀疑），他是这么安排的：

（现在房子已经是阿扬的了）

36. After the General Elections, LWL and LHY agreed to my fresh proposal to transfer 38 Oxley Road to LHY at market value, on condition that LHY and I each donated an amount equivalent to half of that value to charity, to pre-empt any future controversy over compensation or redevelopment proceeds. I was prepared to transfer 38 Oxley Road to LHY so that he and LWL could handle the 38 Oxley Road matter as they saw fit between them. In accordance with our agreement, I donated half of the value of 38 Oxley Road to charity. Although not required under the agreement, I also donated a sum equivalent to the other half of the value of 38 Oxley Road to charity. 38 Oxley Road now wholly belongs to LHY. This is consistent with the position that I had always held and conveyed to my family: that it is not tenable for the family to retain proceeds from any dealing with 38 Oxley Road, as it would look like the family is opposing acquisition and preservation of the House for monetary reasons.  LHY was and continues to be unhappy about my taking this position.  So, it would appear, is LWL.

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另外一半是不要给人参观呀，只给自己人。不得不佩服老李其实早就想到小李的企图了。

之前不是说小李强列反对，连阿玲的份额都被拿走！老人家心疼大儿子有时改变注意也没什么大不了。但最后回归理智，把阿玲和第七段恢复过来了。

富时金

kcchiew 发表于 17-6-2017 07:52 PM
小李没打算收半分钱，在他还没怀疑第七份遗嘱有问题时（他当时没怀疑），他是这么安排的：

（现在房子已经是阿扬的了）

自己虽然没收半分钱，也不用出钱，假做慈善，收归国有，自己继续享用房子带来的荣耀。

阿杨却要出150%，收归国有就什么都完了， 哪里公平。