Proton P3-21A Tuah内装曝光！！！

hyundai89 · 发表于 30-12-2011 07:03 PM

说的一点也没错，这或许是proton本身就缺乏对用料技术的技缓吧！打个比方韩国的汽车工业水平发展 ...
kanwt 发表于 30-12-2011 06:50 PM

所以希望他们嘴巴讲得出东西就要做得到咯... global car这个名称不是这么容易可以喊出来的... 而且还是在竞争最可怕的C-seg, 而真正成功的C-seg屈指能数

ivan6003 · 发表于 30-12-2011 07:06 PM

所以希望他们嘴巴讲得出东西就要做得到咯... global car这个名称不是这么容易可以喊出来的... 而且还是在 ...
hyundai89 发表于 30-12-2011 07:03 PM

其实我并不奢望这款车大卖，只是希望在国际打响名声，改变人家对proton=cheap，milo tin的看法

hyundai89 · 发表于 30-12-2011 07:13 PM

其实我并不奢望这款车大卖，只是希望在国际打响名声，改变人家对proton=cheap，milo tin的看法
ivan6003 发表于 30-12-2011 07:06 PM

我反而觉得人家对Proton没有cheap和milo tin的看法... 因为国外根本没有多少个人接触过Proton.. 他们的处境跟Ssangyong差不多...

HectorSoh · 发表于 30-12-2011 07:15 PM

我反而觉得人家对Proton没有cheap和milo tin的看法... 因为国外根本没有多少个人接触过Proton.. 他们的处 ...
hyundai89 发表于 30-12-2011 07:13 PM

就好像我们在这边看到skoda的感觉？

ivan6003 · 发表于 30-12-2011 07:15 PM

我反而觉得人家对Proton没有cheap和milo tin的看法... 因为国外根本没有多少个人接触过Proton.. 他们的处 ...
hyundai89 发表于 30-12-2011 07:13 PM

如果真的跟双龙差不多我觉得还好咯

时常都看到

siaokialeong · 发表于 30-12-2011 07:26 PM

本帖最后由 siaokialeong 于 30-12-2011 07:28 PM 编辑

其实我也不清楚iafm+改动了什么。。。proton完全没有提过。。。照片里的3辆看起来都不同spec.中间那辆用 ...
sCudeRia 发表于 30-12-2011 04:21 PM

quote 一下从老鸭看到的，lowyat里头好象有破桶的engineer/内部人士：
1）IAFM+

Actually IAFM+ incorporate several parts from CFE ie long life timing belt, new AC Compressor, new piston n con-rod.
Accessory belt tensioner is also new, solving the annoying belt slipping noise

camshaft was changed to shift the torque earlier.

ecu also new for iafm+, 32bit torque based easyu ecu conti ag, same as cfe n persona elegance, but 100% new calibration,diff than in elegance. Iafm @2krpm, achieve 85-90% of torque before reach the peak @ 4k rpm.

but seems that Edar doesn't promote these new features of IAFM+

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2）CFE

cfe also couple with cvvt not vvt as in the engine slidesshow in the some blogs in the net n new cat con, n it is euro 4/5 ready, same as iafm+ in saga flx that actually has the same upgrade as in cfe, except minus cvvt n borg wagner turbine n added iafm@sometimes known as vim@vis(only the acronym is different, but the tech is the same, method of applying it differently according to manufacturers)
the iafm+ engine is not merely the same as iafm engine in persona elegance, the different is not noticable, but u can look up at the cat con, if y manage to open the heat cover, it has different design n also the exhaust sytem diameter is the same as in cps, not like old iafm.

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3） CVT- VT3
to get best 0-100 timing is not to engage D, but engage L mode.

L mode is actually sport drive@ sometimes referring to low gearing, L in cvt is not the same as L in at. In mitsu cvt, some use L,some use S letter, n in previous mini cooper n bmw, they used SD to replace L.

In L mode, the engine will rev up 20% higher that D mode, so u will achieve high torque earlier than than D mode, example in D, u rev at 1700 rpm, then slot L, with the same throttle applied, the rev will climb to 2040 rpm which is where 205nm of torque already available. If in the D mode,@ 1700rpm, the torque is around 150-160nm if i not mistaken.

i mentioned its like overboost, not really overboost, it is based on gbox, not engine. Others that has overboost function like mini cooper s, but it is on the engine, overboost the turbine, so that u get higher torque than standard engine offering but temporarily.
But the objective is nearly the same, to reach higher torque as earlier than normal drive mode, only that, in cvt, it doesnt increase the figure output, but u get to max torque earlier than normal drive.
Hope u understand that, but remember, engaging L will incurr higher fc than normal D mode, of course, u need to trade off extra power with fc :-). The best thing, it is not temporarily like mini overboost function.

it doesnt alter the torque curve, but it does increase the rpm due to not Shorter, but lower ratio. U can achieve its faster, i mean the time to achieve is faster by the same throttle input. I refer to prtn@punch cvt, n the old one was used in mini n bmw when it was still under zf. The characteristic is like that, u can check official documentations from zf@mini cooper.
Cvt vt2 in flx n vt3 in exora bold cfe is the upgrade cvt from cvt vt1f which sharing the same system n characteristic but plus enhancement on pwr n torque output n also reliability.

the slight delay is due to punch cvt function known as creep n crawler to compensate rubberband effect to make it easier when u park ur car or do slow manouver. Previously has knocking complaint for this function but punch rectifies it by minimizing the clutch drag at standstill...

Bout reliability, i think punch already present the paperwork on their cvt in a world conference(cant remember what is the name of conf)n they already tested it for 250k km for reliability.

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小巴菲特 · 发表于 30-12-2011 07:49 PM

hyundai89 发表于 30-12-2011 11:20 AM

我看到oil cooler

tenchi · 发表于 30-12-2011 08:42 PM

看来我的买车计划要延迟点，等这辆出来看看先

瓩火星人 · 发表于 30-12-2011 08:43 PM

刚才发现一个现象，很多人很喜欢骂/踩Proton但每次Proton有新产品推出大家就兴奋激烈讨论，注目着新产品细节 ...
maxcky 发表于 30-12-2011 04:50 PM

話雖如此你有沒發現
最厲害的是真車長什麼樣子都沒人拍過看過

一定會有人說它的某某部份像某某車

哇  不查不知道
         一查嚇死人 ......超多的

怎么感觉上外表的design好像是inspira+honda city的感觉~是我的错觉吗？？
atozi 发表于 30-12-2011 11:50 AM

内装有像到hondacity

N_loon 发表于 30-12-2011 12:20 PM

第一个感觉:
好大的A-PILLAR
很HONDA　CITY　FEEL的DASHBOARD。
jaywormie 发表于 30-12-2011 12:56 PM

翻版honda city
jac|kiez 发表于 30-12-2011 01:46 PM

感觉上是把inspira的内装改进去
^自由的蓝天^ 发表于 30-12-2011 02:53 PM

我觉得dash中间的部分像sonata多一点
yky732 发表于 30-12-2011 02:10 PM

回复 hyundai89
刚刚去吃lunch看到一辆KIA Forte才发现到它的车尾的design和KIA Forte满像的{:3 ...
atozi 发表于 30-12-2011 03:12 PM

cth2206 · 发表于 30-12-2011 08:45 PM

本帖最后由 cth2206 于 30-12-2011 08:46 PM 编辑

回复 129# 瓩火星人

全部都是神人哪

之前讲像forte
现在又city...

hyundai89 · 发表于 30-12-2011 08:55 PM

就好像我们在这边看到skoda的感觉？
HectorSoh 发表于 30-12-2011 07:15 PM

对咯... Opel也是... 就是那种你看到也没有感觉的感觉...

如果真的跟双龙差不多我觉得还好咯
时常都看到
ivan6003 发表于 30-12-2011 07:15 PM

Ssangyong都是卖大车所以单车利润会比Proton来的高... 虽然他们也是亏钱

Proton的话真的要在品牌方面下功夫，特别是在欧洲那里更加难，单靠Lotus tuning很难有作为... 想想看Proton从89年开始进入英国到现在已经22年了... 跟Hyundai 1982年进入英国并没有相差很多... Kia更迟1993年才进去... Kia一个月卖3k+... Proton卖30多...真的不知道他们在做梦还是做什么..

Kuro_Shiro · 发表于 30-12-2011 08:57 PM

保持中庸的看法吧=）我对着这款车蛮期待的说

用料希望有大大的提升

HectorSoh · 发表于 30-12-2011 09:03 PM

对咯... Opel也是... 就是那种你看到也没有感觉的感觉...
Ssangyong都是卖大车所以单车利润会比Proton ...
hyundai89 发表于 30-12-2011 08:55 PM

很可怜下。。。修理不知道去哪里找零件

Abysslim1990 · 发表于 30-12-2011 09:09 PM

有没有shiftronic n paddle shift?

ingfu820 · 发表于 30-12-2011 09:26 PM

什么价钱先~

ivan6003 · 发表于 30-12-2011 10:13 PM

对咯... Opel也是... 就是那种你看到也没有感觉的感觉...
Ssangyong都是卖大车所以单车利润会比Proton ...
hyundai89 发表于 30-12-2011 08:55 PM

要提升品牌没有那么容易

看来proton只可以靠spec取胜了

ivan6003 · 发表于 30-12-2011 10:18 PM

最近觉得这款steering很美一下，可以建议proton copy
pcteck19 发表于 30-12-2011 01:44 PM

lexus的

是真的不错可是要公用零件所以我看

hyundai89 · 发表于 30-12-2011 10:25 PM

要提升品牌没有那么容易
看来proton只可以靠spec取胜了
ivan6003 发表于 30-12-2011 10:13 PM

spec他们更不用想... Proton去哪里找LKAS(lane keeping assist), auto parking, VSM, panaromic sunroof, idle stop go blablabla跟人家fight... P3后面有没有冷气？

Proton应该要靠比韩国车更低的价钱来卖才会有人愿意买单...

4561336 · 发表于 30-12-2011 10:37 PM

quote 一下从老鸭看到的，lowyat里头好象有破桶的engineer/内部人士：
1）IAFM+

Actually IAF ...
siaokialeong 发表于 30-12-2011 07:26 PM

CFE 我也听说有 CVVT 而不是 VVT .... 但是我希望是 D-CVVT

kanwt · 发表于 30-12-2011 10:40 PM

CFE 我也听说有 CVVT 而不是 VVT .... 但是我希望是 D-CVVT
4561336 发表于 30-12-2011 10:37 PM

请问下两者的差别在那里。。。。

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