二手savvy两万，可以买吗？savvy车会烂吗？

大明明

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   可是我的savvy也是手牙的，太差了！！上云顶没有力还要水滚才tulan！！没有gok没有力 ...
JulianLau 发表于 29-3-2010 01:02 PM

驾到酱不爽，卖掉吧！

simix

你车是有问题了。是吗？

我载四个人上力水还不错。。
没有拖牛上树的感觉。。

overheat

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   可是我的savvy也是手牙的，太差了！！上云顶没有力还要水滚才tulan！！没有gok没有力 ...
JulianLau 发表于 29/3/2010 01:02 PM

你買到車王了嗎？？？我從沒有聽過savvy會水滚...你的是第一輛了。。。。

六道門

回复 103# overheat


    怕他只放水没放coolant, 哈哈哈。。。。

六道門

回复 101# 大明明


   

你ignition coil 还坏的，建议你去买那种RM200的， 我朋友用了，效果也不差，只是不用浪费一笔钱， TDC其实也很容易洗，最多半小时而已，不用叫人洗，这个定期3，4个月自已洗就好。

六道門

回复 101# 大明明


   

你ignition coil 还坏的，建议你去买那种RM200的， 我朋友用了，效果也不差，只是不用浪费一笔钱， TDC其实也很容易洗，最多半小时而已，不用叫人洗，这个定期3，4个月自已洗就好。

mtnike688

HYDRAULIC PUMP PRESSURE BELOW MIN THRESHOLD.
什么意思？

mtnike688

HYDRAULIC PUMP PRESSURE BELOW MIN THRESHOLD.
什么意思？

大明明

回复  大明明


   

你ignition coil 还坏的，建议你去买那种RM200的， 我朋友用了，效果也不差，只 ...
六道門 发表于 29-3-2010 01:50 PM

Ignition coil 换了年半，还没坏！知道有 RM200.00 after market 货，坏时才换吧。TDC sensor 洗一次可顶年多，秘诀是用 Autoso polish TDC 的 sensor tip，效果不错！

六道門

HYDRAULIC PUMP PRESSURE BELOW MIN THRESHOLD.
什么意思？
mtnike688 发表于 29-3-2010 01:57 PM

   
可能ground wiring有问题，不是clutch pump, 你是不是AMT的?

mtnike688

可能ground wiring有问题，不是clutch pump, 你是不是AMT的?
六道門 发表于 29-3-2010 02:10 PM

    对啊。。是amt的。。 当我1st gear的时候，
踏油时，gear那边是震。。 他们说是HYDRAULIC PUMP PRESSURE BELOW MIN问题（用电脑check）

怎么办呢？

note： coil，tdc， fuel filter。。 全部没问题

六道門

回复 111# mtnike688


转至lowyat这个人我看过，和你一样问题)， 老实说，他说得不假，renault根本就没问题，问题是proton assembly point. 看看能不能帮到你。

Many AMT owners have these problems, the rest of the AMT owners "are yet to have these problems". So i decided to write my experiences since i have already wasted enough time trying to tell Proton and to troubleshoot the problem myself. Problems here include "jerking & stuttling" "D to N" "D to manual and jammed" and warning light comming out intermittenly for no apparent reason.


Actually, the real problem here is wiring, not the clutch pump, because i have tried a new pump, and have changed oil seals also. The pump looks perfect anyways. But after all that the problem still persists. OBD software indicates these error codes: BATTERY VOL SHORT CIRCUIT, HYDRAULIC PUMP PRESSURE BELOW MIN THRESHOLD. Mind you, im using the right software.

Most likely the main problem is wiring, because wrong grounding and wiring can cause insufficient voltage and will overheat the pumps faster. The situation will be aggravated if you turn on all air-cond and lights at the same time. My car will last longer if i turn on nothing before the gear goes to "D to manual" and then to "JAMMED in the same gear" if you still insist on pushing the car. This is because the TCU will try to PROTECT the mechanical parts when they detect something is wrong. So all i do is i wait for the AMT to cool down and the TCU to reset and then turn on and the car wil move again as normal (for a limited time of course).

U see, this gearbox and engine is very sophisticated, unlike the stupid Malaysian Kambing Mentality that says Savvy is lousy and only Myvi is good. They dont know how hi-tech this system is. The Savvy chassis, gearbox and engine is a PERFECT drive by wire tech for small a cc. The only problem is, like the Malaysian Kambing Mentality, the local assembly line did not followed Renault's original assemble plan correctly - no way the Renault Clio would have had this problem with the Magnetti Marelli unit like ours(ours is made in italy too, same stuff). The gearbox of savvy is very solid, and does not stutter like Myvi MT at all, and the AMT is a very good module that actuates the clutch more precisely than a human. If it jerks and stuttles, it only means that something is wrong with its assembly into the car, in this case, the wiring. So if something that is not meant to jerk, stuttle and jam, start to give these problems, it means that someone is not following the intructions when assembling. In fact the AMT unit is so hi-tech that it PROTECTS the mechnical parts from spoiling by temporary disabling the gearbox or preventing gear change, which is less dangerous than the car actually failling. And after so long running in a deprived state, the AMT still works - that is a rather good job by Renault, only thing is stupid proton dunno how to assemble, they think that hi tech western cars deserve cheap ass mentality to understand and can simply 'pasang'.

By right, the warning light isnt supposed come out at all, not even for one second. If it does then somethings not right and it deserves to be rectified immediately. Anyway, I dont think renault ever made such a faulty thing. Its should be a proper smooth semi-auto clutchless manual. (FYI, tiara is not Renault so stfu and go eat kambing -[ censored ]- bashers) (AND NO, they do not share this engine, D4F is strictly Renault, and Savvy doesnt have any engine problems except fot the ignition coil) (And NO, the Citroen failure model is not one bit its predesccesor, you stupid mindless bashers who say things based on gibberish word of mouth)

So one good way to solve this is to stir up the pride of Renault by telling them that Proton is 'mis-assembling' their parts and causing thier hi-tech gearbox to give problems as though it were a junk, creating a bad impression of Renault within the Malaysian Kambing Mentality market as well as the south east asia region. This will surely get their attention. Maybe someone should go tell Quincy Govin.

And the problem here is actually not the oil as i once thought and the gearbox is still doomed to fail if the MAIN PROBLEM is not rectified. The wrong oil type only aggravates the problem and will help a little if you change it.

My take on this scenario is that, somewhere, something is wrongly grounded causing voltage problems. Or proton took the wrong voltage reference when grounding. Or something is partially short circuited. Or a voltage regulator of some sort is missing from the gearbox electrical system due to cost cutting or who knows what. Not oil, not clutch pump, tried all that and wasted enough money already so y'all dont have to waste that kind of money like me. Take my word.

dreamerkid1986

回复 87# 六道門


    不觉得不是我的回复有问题，而是你自己就在哪里吹，‘savvy 就是好’如果我买了一驾savvy5年坏engine.你帮我出吗？几千块对很多人不是一笔小数目。我们就不谈engine会不会坏好了。就算engine不会坏，那么其他small part,就如说什么sensor要清洗之类的，不都是savvy的通病吗？ 我只不过是想和楼主说以20K左右要买savvy之外，还有很多二手车可以考虑。

dreamerkid1986

从你们的回复就知道savvy是多么难搞得了，不管有多么好，当你搞不定它的时候，查不出到底是什么坏才会有这个问题的时候，就必须一样一样换，try and error, 这样麻烦的车子，很多人都不会要啦！

六道門

回复 114# dreamerkid1986

你驾过savvy? 不懂就不要马奶思想，lz买什么我理不到， 我们只给意见，你不喜欢你不要买喽，不要吹到你很了解其他车种，你驾的车就不会坏的，10年不用保养，说来听听。


说了几十次，但你的理解能力真的要改进。 几年赚不到几千块， 你可骑电单车，包你。。便宜

六道門

从你们的回复就知道savvy是多么难搞得了，不管有多么好，当你搞不定它的时候，查不出到底是什么坏才会有这个 ...
dreamerkid1986 发表于 29-3-2010 03:11 PM

那么这位大师， myvi有tdc sensor吗? engine喝水的? 不会坏的? 哈哈哈。。。。

六道門

回复 113# dreamerkid1986


还有这些所谓的sensor通病，是几年后需要检查或替换，很多车都这样，去了解一下才来说，不要马奶思想。 还是你驾巴士的。

dreamerkid1986

我也不知道你一个自己shiock什么东西，有点无法沟通的感觉

mtnike688

回复 112# 六道門


修不到？=。=

六道門

我也不知道你一个自己shiock什么东西，有点无法沟通的感觉
dreamerkid1986 发表于 29-3-2010 03:43 PM

    第一，人家给个例子，你就说哇，5年换引擎。
   第2，人家说出车子一些好处，你就说问题多多，你驾过了? 你了解里面的parts了?
    第3， 你到底知道什么叫讨论? 意见? 我感觉和一位驾巴士的讨论k car. 怎样沟通???
    第4， 去研究1下2手车价钱市场，再来下这个定论，20千买什么车比较划算， kanari 2005就要多少了。