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发表于 11-8-2008 08:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 evawyh 于 11-8-2008 05:20 PM 发表
哈哈。。好风趣。。喜欢这种感觉。。



谢谢支持
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发表于 11-8-2008 08:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 小魔星 于 11-8-2008 08:07 PM 发表

我们这里都已经4.50了。。




你住哪里
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发表于 11-8-2008 08:47 PM | 显示全部楼层
又是很累的一天。。讨厌这里的工作环境。。不过,还是得加油!

想如何理财也是很烦恼, 有时候想为什么有钱也烦, 没钱也烦, 做人真难。。是我今天想太多了吗?
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发表于 11-8-2008 08:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 evawyh 于 11-8-2008 08:47 PM 发表
又是很累的一天。。讨厌这里的工作环境。。不过,还是得加油!

想如何理财也是很烦恼, 有时候想为什么有钱也烦, 没钱也烦, 做人真难。。是我今天想太多了吗?




人就是为了一个烦恼, 有些人省吃减用,不舍得花点钱,这样的省钱之道我不敢恭维, 毕竟适当规划自己的钱财来享受人生,这样才能不往此生。
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发表于 11-8-2008 09:44 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 anferny 于 11-8-2008 12:11 PM 发表
( 2008/08/11 Yahoo!奇摩理財特約作家 王鈺棻 )
投資共同基金當然是以報酬率為第一考量,但什麼樣的基金適合單筆投資?什麼樣的基金又適合定期定額?我們常聽到的答案是,波動幅度大的較適合定期定額投資,「波動幅 ...


Anferny,在这里基金有用到这种指标吗?还是有类似这样的指标??
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发表于 11-8-2008 09:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 主恩满溢 于 11-8-2008 12:21 PM 发表
早上吃面
本来是RM3现是RM3。50老板娘说肉和虾起价。。。
我算一算,从RM3 到 RM3。50 总共"升"了 16。67%
现在买基金可能都没升这么高


其实物价真的升了很多,但通常大头都不会去算,会不会不应该。
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发表于 11-8-2008 09:52 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 主恩满溢 于 11-8-2008 12:27 PM 发表
大头
听说你最近买屋子哦
这么快就和SF做好未来打算了哦


SF不要大头了,唯有和要大头的做好未来打算咯。
你听谁说大头要买屋了??还很久啦,还再存着后备金。
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发表于 11-8-2008 09:56 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 有目标的大头 于 11-8-2008 09:52 PM 发表


SF不要大头了,唯有和要大头的做好未来打算咯。
你听谁说大头要买屋了??还很久啦,还再存着后备金。



呵呵,之前在家居生活看到你的贴啊,你不是很有目标的大头吗?
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发表于 11-8-2008 10:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 evawyh 于 11-8-2008 12:28 PM 发表
另一個重要事項就是父母的家用問題,必須在這件事上達成共識,"每月給雙方父母固定數額的家用。如果夫妻倆都有工作,最理想的就是--至少開3個戶口,即是「我的戶口」、「你的戶口」及「我們的戶口」。這可以讓雙方能 ...


分享一下大头以后会用的方法。
「我們的戶口」可以根据以下的方法,
算出每个月的支出(房贷,日常开销。。。)然后总和你们的工钱。
比如每个月支出RM3000,彼此加起来的工钱是RM5000(一位3000,一位2000),那么每个人需要出多少进这个户口??
拿3000/5000=0.6
那么3000*0.6=1800
2000*0.6=1200
这样一来就公平了,至于剩下的就可以彼此存进「我的戶口」、「你的戶口」。
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发表于 11-8-2008 10:02 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 有目标的大头 于 11-8-2008 09:48 PM 发表


其实物价真的升了很多,但通常大头都不会去算,会不会不应该。


我觉得日常开销最好清楚,如果很认真的算算每天的花费,一个月算下来也是很高的。。。
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发表于 11-8-2008 10:06 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 主恩满溢 于 11-8-2008 12:54 PM 发表
我们这生活也好不到那里
以前晚上不会看见有人出来做小买卖
但如今。。。晚上会看见妇女买糕或其他的赚外快。。。。。
现在人若只有一份工是有点难养活家人的


对,除非是双薪的,但多数都是刚刚好。有什么part time好介绍,只有一份工真的是难养活家人。
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发表于 11-8-2008 10:12 PM | 显示全部楼层

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RISK & RETURN MEASURES USED
IN ASSESSING PERFORMANCE OF FUNDS



I. RISK & RETURN MEASURES

A. Measures of Unit Trust Fund Returns


Returns from unit trust funds are computed from the percentage change in fund prices (adjusted for splits and distribution paid out) for the period under review.


To compare fund returns over periods exceeding one year, the total percentage return over the period is divided by the number of years to derive the average annual return.


B. Measures of Risk


The following measures of risks are used in assessing a unit trust fund’s returns.


1) Beta


Beta is a historical measure of a fund’s sensitivity to market movements. It measures whether a fund tends to rise and fall as much as the market. For equity funds, beta is generally measured relative to the benchmark KLSE Composite Index (KLCI ). By definition, the beta of the benchmark index is 1.00.


A fund with a beta of 1.50 is significantly more volatile than its benchmark. It would tend to gain 1.5% for every 1% rise in the market, and lose 1.5% for every 1% decline in the market. On the other hand, a fund with a beta of 0.50 is notably less volatile than its benchmark and would gain 0.5% for every 1% rise in the market and lose 0.5% for every 1% decline in the market.


2) R-squared (R2)


R-squared is a historical measurement which indicates how closely a fund’s past fluctuations have correlated with the fluctuations of its benchmark index. In other words, R-squared captures the degree to which fund returns go up and down at the same time as the market.


R-squared values range from 0 to 1.0. An R-squared of 0 means that a fund's returns have no correlation with its benchmark’s fluctuations. An R-squared of 1.0 indicates that a fund's returns are completely correlated with the benchmark i.e. 100% of the fund’s past fluctuations can be explained by fluctuations in the benchmark index. An R-squared measure of 0.30 means that only 30% of the fund's movements can be explained by movements in its benchmark index.


R-squared can be used to ascertain the significance of beta. The higher a fund’s R-squared, the more reliable its beta as an indicator of the fund’s volatility of returns. If the R-squared is lower, beta is less reliable as an indicator of the fund’s volatility and performance.



3) Standard deviation


Standard Deviation is a statistical measure of the range of a fund's performance. This statistic compares a fund with its own past record (and not against a benchmark as seen in the computation of beta and R-squared). Standard deviation is the degree to which a fund's returns have fluctuated above or below its mean (or average) return over the previous 36 months. When a fund has a high standard deviation, its range of performance has been very wide, indicating that there is a greater potential for volatility of returns.

Suppose Fund A posts annual returns of –5%, +10%, and +25%. Over the three years, it earns an average annual return of +10%, with a standard deviation of 15. Fund B post annual returns of +5%, +10%, and +15% over the same period. It too earns an average return of +10%, but its standard deviation is just 5. Therefore, Fund A (with its returns ranging from –5% to +25%) has been three times as volatile as Fund B (with returns ranging from +5% to +15%).

A fund’s returns are expected to differ from its mean total return by no more than plus or or minus the standard deviation figure approximately 68% of the time. A fund’s returns should be within a range of plus or minus two times the standard deviation from its mean return 95% percent of the time. These ranges assume that a fund’s returns fall in a statistically normal, bell-shaped distribution. In any case, the greater the standard deviation, the greater the fund’s volatility.


Note that all risk measures have limitations. No single measure of risk paints a complete picture of the fund’s returns. These measures of risks are based on past performance which may not be indicative of future returns.




II. RISK & RETURN MEASURES FOR THE KLCI & A SELECTION OF Public Mutual's FUNDS


The following table shows the average annual returns, beta, R-squared and standard deviation for the KLCI and a selection of Public Mutual’s funds over various 3 year periods spanning 1993 to 2001.


Return & Risk Measures for the benchmark KLCI & Public Mutual's Funds



Returns & Measures of Risk
Period
Ave Annual Returns (%)
Beta
R-Squared
Std Deviation(%)

KLCI
1993-1995
+18.3
1.0
1.0
28.2

  1996-1998
-13.7
1.0
1.0
42.8

  1999-2001
+6.3
1.0
1.0
32.2

            
PSF
1993-1995
+30.9
0.75
0.93
22.6

  1996-1998
-4.2
0.31
0.82
16.3

  1999-2001
+7.6
0.62
0.90
22.1

            
PGF
1993-1995
+33.5
0.84
0.90
26.4

  1996-1998
-7.2
0.34
0.85
17.3

  1999-2001
+7.9
0.56
0.89
20.5

            
PIX
1993-1995
+27.1
0.67
0.92
20.8

  1996-1998
-4.8
0.43
0.89
20.4

  1999-2001
+6.7
0.65
0.95
22.1



PSF = Public Savings Fund , PGF = Public Growth Fund

PIX = Public Index Fund , KLCI = KLSE Composite Index




1) Benchmark Returns & Risk Measures


Average Annual Return: It can be observed that the KLCI experienced a strong upswing with average annual returns of 18.3% in the 1993-1995 period. However returns turned negative in the 1996-1998 period when the economy went into a tailspin during the Asian crisis. Equity returns turned positive again in the 1999-2001 period but the average annual return during this period of 6.3% was lower than the returns experienced prior to the Asian crisis.


Beta & R-Squared: As the performance benchmark for equity funds is the KLCI , the beta and R-Squared of the latter by definition is 1.00.


Standard Deviation: In the 1993-95 period, volatility of the KLCI ’s returns as indicated by the standard deviation was 28.2%. This implies that 68% of the time, annual returns from the KLCI ranged between 46.5% (18.3% plus 28.2%) and -9.9% (18.3% minus 28.2%).


During the economically turbulent period of 1996 to 1998, volatility of stockmarket returns increased as evidenced by the rise in the standard deviation to 42.8%. But lower volatility of stockmarket returns was experienced during the 1999-2001 period.


2) Unit Trust Returns & Risk Measures


Average Annual Return: From the above table, it can be seen that a selection of three of Public Mutual’s funds have registered better returns than the KLCI in the periods under comparison. As an example, the Public Savings Fund registered an average annual return of 7.6% during the 1999-2001 period while the KLCI posted a return of 6.3% over the same period.


Beta & R-Squared: The beta and R-squared of the unit trusts were higher during the 1993-1995 and 1999-2001 periods as the equity exposure of the funds was higher during these periods. However these two ratios were lower during the 1996-1998 period as the equity exposure of the funds was reduced during the market decline of this period. This therefore reduced the correlation of the unit trust returns relative to the KLCI .


Over the 1999-2001 period, it can be seen that Public Growth Fund had the lowest beta and R-Squared measures while the Public Index Fund had the highest beta and R-Squared measures among the three funds.


Despite having lower beta measures than the benchmark KLCI , the funds were able to perform better than the benchmark in periods of rising returns (as seen for the 1993-1995 and 1999-2001 periods) due to shifts in asset allocation between cash and equities. Profits on equities are locked in when the market is on a rising trend and reinvested when the market has bottomed out. These shifts in asset allocation also allow the funds to outperform the benchmark in periods of market downturn as seen in the 1996-1998 period.

Standard Deviation: The volatility of returns as measured by the standard deviation of the funds’ returns are smaller than the benchmark’s standard deviation because only a portion of the funds’ assets are invested in equities. Among the three funds, it can be seen that the volatility of returns for the Public Growth Fund of 20.5% was lower than the volatility of returns for the Public Savings & Public Index Fund of 22.1% over 1999-2001 period.

那天在公司上课,讲师有说其实我们公司是有建议要放这个指标的,不过其他公司都不响应,所以只有我们公司自己还有在做咯!基本上只是大众信托基金代理都会收到每个星期的市场报告,还有那些指标咯
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发表于 11-8-2008 10:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 SF03 于 11-8-2008 09:56 PM 发表



呵呵,之前在家居生活看到你的贴啊,你不是很有目标的大头吗?


太多目标很辛苦的,大头把目标都写在卡片上,然后放在钱包里,那么时时刻刻就不会忘记,当目标达成后,才从钱包里拿出来撕烂它,那个感觉很爽, 之前有撕过两张,但到现在一张还没撕得成,很无奈也很生气啊!!还有十多张!!
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发表于 11-8-2008 10:16 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 有目标的大头 于 11-8-2008 10:14 PM 发表


太多目标很辛苦的,大头把目标都写在卡片上,然后放在钱包里,那么时时刻刻就不会忘记,当目标达成后,才从钱包里拿出来撕烂它,那个感觉很爽, 之前有撕过两张,但到现在一张还没撕得成,很无奈也很生气啊 ...


目标放小一点就有机会撕咯,我都没机会呢
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发表于 11-8-2008 10:17 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 anferny 于 11-8-2008 10:12 PM 发表
RISK & RETURN MEASURES USED
IN ASSESSING PERFORMANCE OF FUNDS



I. RISK & RETURN MEASURES

A. Measures of Unit Trust Fund Returns


Returns from unit trust funds are computed from the perc ...


难怪,因为大头没看过本地的基金放beta指标的,所以也只有代理可以看到这些指标咯??
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发表于 11-8-2008 10:19 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 SF03 于 11-8-2008 10:16 PM 发表


目标放小一点就有机会撕咯,我都没机会呢


人总会有大,中,小目标的,如今大头也有小目标,虽然已经存够钱了,但因为还没拥有,所以就不算达成,所以就不能撕。
今年底应该可以撕2-3张吧,加油加油。
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发表于 11-8-2008 10:20 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 有目标的大头 于 11-8-2008 10:14 PM 发表


太多目标很辛苦的,大头把目标都写在卡片上,然后放在钱包里,那么时时刻刻就不会忘记,当目标达成后,才从钱包里拿出来撕烂它,那个感觉很爽, 之前有撕过两张,但到现在一张还没撕得成,很无奈也很生气啊 ...


大头很厉害哦,想到这种方法来激励自己。。。

还达到了2个目标。。。

你花了多久的时间达成的呢??
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发表于 11-8-2008 10:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 SF03 于 11-8-2008 10:16 PM 发表


目标放小一点就有机会撕咯,我都没机会呢


我也是呢。。。
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发表于 11-8-2008 10:26 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 @SLS@ 于 11-8-2008 10:20 PM 发表


大头很厉害哦,想到这种方法来激励自己。。。

还达到了2个目标。。。

你花了多久的时间达成的呢??




嗯,大头这招很高明 ,快抄起来
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发表于 11-8-2008 10:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 @SLS@ 于 11-8-2008 10:21 PM 发表


我也是呢。。。




哎。。。 我好像听到撕的感觉哦
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