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发表于 15-7-2007 11:28 PM
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好象上次我有看过这个问题,然后它的答案是小孩子可以上天国。耶苏有说过我们都要象小孩子一样,才能上天国。找到这节经文了:“我实实在在告诉你们,你们若不回转变成小孩子的样式,断不得进天国。”(马大福音18:1)。 |
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发表于 15-7-2007 11:42 PM
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http://www.rbc.org/bible_study/answers_to_tough_questions/answers/30855.aspx\
What happens to infants and children who die before they are old enough to respond to the gospel?
Although the concept of "the age of accountability" had its beginnings early in the history of the Christian church, the Scriptures do not use this terminology. Neither does the Bible contain substantial allusions to the eternal state of babies or young children who die before they are old enough to make a conscious decision for or against Christ.
People have always been concerned about the salvation of children who die before they are old enough to clearly understand the gospel. Unfortunately, the conclusion reached by many in the early church was that infants who die without the sacrament of baptism are destined for hell -- or limbo. This belief was based upon a mistaken view of baptism.
This view persisted into the Reformation. Catholics, Lutherans, and others continued to believe that infants who weren't baptized would be condemned to hell. 1 This is a tragic distortion of biblical teaching. It is a credit to the clear thinking of John Calvin that he found such a doctrine reprehensible:
"I do not doubt that the infants whom the Lord gathers together from this life are regenerated by a secret operation of the Holy Spirit." (Amsterdam edition of Calvin's works, 8:522).
"I everywhere teach that no one can be justly condemned and perish except on account of actual sin; and to say that the countless mortals taken from life while yet infants are precipitated from their mothers' arms into eternal death is a blasphemy to be universally detested." (Institutes, Book 4, p.335).
Although infants are not capable of conscious sin in the same way as someone older ( Isaiah 7:15-16; Matthew 18:3-4 ), they have inherited natures that are contaminated by sin and in need of transformation and salvation ( Psalm 51:5; Ephesians 2:3 ). Yet, because of their dependency, trust, and innocence, Jesus not only offers young children as models for the manner in which adult sinners need to be converted, He views them in a unique way:
"Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven."( Matthew 18:10 ).
"Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish."( Matthew 18:14 ).
Further, the Scriptures clearly indicate that God does not punish children for the offenses of their fathers ( Deuteronomy 24:16; Ezekiel 18:20 ).
Therefore, we believe that those who die as infants or young children are given the gift of salvation. They aren't given this gift because they are without sin; they, too, have inherited Adam's curse. They are given salvation based solely on God's grace, through the sacrificial atonement of Christ on their behalf.
"Therefore, as through one man';s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous." ( Romans 5:18-19 ).
Infants had nothing to do with the fact that they were heirs of Adam's sinful nature. Therefore, it stands to reason that they can be given the gift of salvation without having consciously accepted it. Only rejection of Christ's love on their behalf -- something that cannot occur until they reach the age that conscious sin is possible -- can result in their loss of Christ's gift.
1 Norman Fox, The Unfolding of Baptist Doctrine, 24 "Not only the Roman Catholics believed in the damnation of infants. The Lutherans, in the Augsburg Confession, condemn the Baptists for affirming that children are saved without baptism; damnant Anabaptistas qui . . . affirmant pueros sine baptismo salvos fieri"["they damn the Anabaptists who . . . affirm that children are saved without baptism"] and the favorite poet of Presbyterian Scotland [Robert Burns], in his Tam O Shanter, names among objects from hell. Twa spanlang, wee, unchristened bairns. The Westminster Confession, in declaring that elect infants dying in infancy are saved, implies that non elect infants dying in infancy are lost. This was certainly taught by some of the framers of that creed. (Christian Theology, Augustus Strong)
Dan Vander Lugt |
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发表于 16-7-2007 12:16 AM
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发表于 16-7-2007 12:38 AM
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早知道我就不COPY AND PASTE了
丢下个网址就走人了。。。 >_<
不过我分数多
扣那几分我都不稀罕
就算要封掉我的户口我也不稀罕。。。 =P
NEH NEH NEH |
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发表于 16-7-2007 01:00 AM
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原帖由 kamwah 于 16-7-2007 12:38 AM 发表
早知道我就不COPY AND PASTE了
丢下个网址就走人了。。。 >_<
不过我分数多
扣那几分我都不稀罕
就算要封掉我的户口我也不稀罕。。。 =P
NEH NEH NEH
那么串。。。
我有点偷鸡。。。转贴英文。。。打几行翻译。。。 |
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发表于 16-7-2007 01:06 AM
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我是很串的。。。
哇。。打几行字敷衍下? |
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发表于 16-7-2007 10:15 AM
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原帖由 e=mc2 于 16-7-2007 09:02 发表
左右手分不清楚(不懂事)的小孩死的话能上天堂,天生弱智的也是。
现在,我倒想问问大家,主耶稣降生前死去的人,好像孔子,孟子,老子,这些人,或普通人,能否上天堂?
他们有生之年并不认识主耶稣,也 ...
耶穌已為所有的人死了,也復活了,包括未出生的,包括耶穌降生以前的。
那些耶穌時代以前的人,上帝要按他們的行為(準確的說,他們對上帝/良心/律法的回應)來審判他們。 |
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发表于 16-7-2007 12:00 PM
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感谢大家的回答,我的问题并不是要刁难基督徒,老实说,是因为小盈瀛事件而让我深思的。而我认为想这种问题是必须和重要的,因为若非基督徒想我问这个问题的话,我若不知道一个答案,那要如何去面对他们呢?而且,若有认为上帝不公平的想法存在的话,我的信心肯定会被动摇。但基于你们的回答和我自己的想法,我相信也希望上帝是会祝福还没有思考信不信主能力的小孩,让他们上天堂的。
"通常上帝会做一些让你看起来很不逻辑的事情,
其实是我们愚昧没有领会到上帝最终的旨意而已."
非常赞成这句话..发生在我们每个人身上的事情,很多看来没有意义或不公平,但最后是我们的愚昧,让我们还没有看到上帝的旨意和最后的目的。
[ 本帖最后由 Erno 于 16-7-2007 12:01 PM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 16-7-2007 12:05 PM
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原帖由 燃地雷 于 16-7-2007 10:15 AM 发表
耶穌已為所有的人死了,也復活了,包括未出生的,包括耶穌降生以前的。
那些耶穌時代以前的人,上帝要按他們的行為(準確的說,他們對上帝/良心/律法的回應)來審判他們。
我很好奇
到底人的良心有沒有形狀的
而上帝當初給的良心是不是包括在上帝吹的那口氣裡頭
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发表于 16-7-2007 12:44 PM
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原帖由 梦春秋 于 15-7-2007 07:45 PM 发表
这问题或许对她来说是重要的。
最近我的同事她子宫外孕,当然她的小孩是不保了。
若她对圣经不清楚,你认为她会为她小孩的永生烦吗?
每个人需要不同,你可能伤了人。
刁难基督徒的问题很多。如果是你朋友的情况,那就具体提出来讨论。
其他刁难基督徒的问题包括,为什么圣经没有记载恐龙?
这些“百科全书”式的问题的答案,是否真的决定一个人是否信耶稣?
还有,这个问题的答案,圣经里面是否有具体的答案? |
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发表于 16-7-2007 03:11 PM
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原帖由 kamwah 于 16-7-2007 12:05 发表
我很好奇
到底人的良心有沒有形狀的
而上帝當初給的良心是不是包括在上帝吹的那口氣裡頭
呵
別忘了,人是按上帝的形象造的,上帝是良善的,所以人也有「良善」的屬性。不但如此,上帝還派了位代表住在我們心裡,他的名叫「良心」。但人也有「自由」的屬性(因為上帝是自由的),人還是可以把這位「良心」給殺死,讓自己不管良心的勸告,為所欲為。
錯用「自由」,就是人類犯罪的開始。 |
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发表于 16-7-2007 07:51 PM
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嗯。。但是我有一个想法哦
良心嘛。。。其实真的是象我们信仰所说那样已经SET在人的心里了。。
但是,会不会是因为从小在被父母教导道德的东西才形成良心呢
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发表于 20-1-2008 06:55 AM
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为什么说我们是【罪人】?
天地万物既然都是上帝创造的,为什么说人类是【罪人】?
每天都有那么多人想自我了断来寻求解脱是否说明了人类的出现本是一种悲哀?上帝创造了我们,又把我们当作【罪人】,就像一对父母贪一时之快而有了婴孩,然后就把该婴孩视为不该在这世上出现的【孽种】,然后对该婴孩百般折磨,就像人类必须承受各种苦恼、病痛、死别等纠缠到死的那一刻才能享有阵阵的解脱?【罪人】=【孽种】?
[ 本帖最后由 缘聚缘散 于 20-1-2008 06:57 AM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 25-1-2008 10:03 PM
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你的问题,假设了神,是一个造罪人的神,是一个造悲哀的上帝,是一个为了贪图自己的情欲而造了世人,对吗? |
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发表于 25-1-2008 11:12 PM
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简单一些,我们人类的始祖因为偷吃不该吃的食物所以才犯罪。现在,我们还是继承我们老祖宗的罪孽。 |
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发表于 26-1-2008 10:41 AM
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神所造起初一切都是完美的。罪在圣经有两个意思,原罪和犯罪。 |
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发表于 26-1-2008 11:16 AM
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一切的罪都从人类的祖先而起.
罪,除了原罪外,还有犯罪..
原罪是遗传的,好像小鱼在肮脏的鱼缸出世,跟他家人是一样的肮脏..
犯罪不止是外在的行为,也包括内有的思想..
*你要保守你心,胜过保守一切,因为一生的果效是由心发出.. |
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发表于 27-1-2008 04:45 AM
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一切都是上帝的错,上帝不造人,就不会有原罪的出现, 真正的原罪的是上帝。据说上帝是无所不能,但却造出不完美的人出来,可见上帝的功力还是非常的有限。 |
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发表于 27-1-2008 11:26 AM
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发表于 28-1-2008 10:27 PM
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原帖由 natio 于 27-1-2008 04:45 AM 发表
一切都是上帝的错,上帝不造人,就不会有原罪的出现, 真正的原罪的是上帝。据说上帝是无所不能,但却造出不完美的人出来,可见上帝的功力还是非常的有限。
你以为上帝不知道今天的你会这样说吗?他知道,但还造你出来..
若他真的要的话,他大可以造个完全顺服他,听他命令的人吗?
原罪的由来是人类滥用自由开始的.
今天我们的母亲生我们出来前,我想他也有想到我们有变坏的可能性,但他忍然生我们出来.是什么?是爱的原故..
上帝也是一样,他本要我们同享他的创造,他也赐我们自由,只是我们滥用了.. |
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