是非成败转头空，是开创新红军，还是做河神二世，看你了！！Officially

macgroven

看来AVB会是大热门，AVB也说了他本身的要求和对红军的兴趣.

从文章看来，AVB比较注重的是总体管理层的定位

原文: http://www.independent.co.uk/spo ... ol-job-7769631.html

KimD@ngD@ng

最好這星期能定奪主帥一職。

boeing

希望别再拖了 很期待下个season
最好一举夺冠

tcguanz

AVB, Idea和战术想法是很漂亮下

AVB: There are more spaces in football than people think. Even if you play against a deep lying team, you immediately get half of the pitch. And after that, in attacking midfield, you can provoke the opponent with the ball, provoke him to move forward or sideways and open up a space. But many players can’t understand the game.

They can’t think about or read the game. Things have become too easy for football players: high salaries, a good life, with a maximum of five hours work a day and so they can’t concentrate, can’t think about the game.

Barcelona’s players are completely the opposite. Their players are permanently thinking about the game, about their movement, about how to provoke their opponent with the position of the ball.


DS: Does a top team need to dominate possession to win a match?

AVB: Not necessarily, for a simple reason. In Portugal we have this idea of match control based on recycling possession. That’s what we in Portugal, want to achieve in our football: top teams that dominate by ball possession, that push the opponent back to their area.

If you go find the top English teams pre-Arsene Wenger they tell you how to control a match in the opposite way without much ball possession, direct football, searching for the second ball.

Maybe now, controlling possession is the reference point for a top team, but that happens because they have much more quality players than the other teams, so it would be wrong not to take advantage of those individual skills.


DS: One thing Louis Van Gaal says is that you can control a match offensively and defensively but if you keep in control defensively you can also determine where your opponent will play on the pitch.

AVB: Yes, I agree. In that sense, yes. But the idea we now have in Portugal of match control is about having more ball possession than the opponent.


DS: Exactly, but match control has to result in scoring chances. That’s the only way it makes sense. There are teams that have like 60 per cent ball possession and that results in nothing at all.

AVB: That’s it. Match control always has to have a purpose, a main goal.


DS: And in that concept of match control, are there any sectors of the team more important than others?

AVB: Well, that depends on the mechanisms you want to use defensively and offensively. Let me give you an example:

Top teams nowadays don’t look to forward penetration from their midfielders because the coach prefers them to stand laterally (horizontally) and then use the movement of the wingers as the main source to create chances.

So, you, as a coach, have to know exactly what kind of players you have and analyse the squad to decide how you want to organise your team offensively. And then, there are maybe some players more important than others.

For instance, many teams play with defensive pivots, small defensive midfielders. And, except Andrea Pirlo and Xabi Alonso, and maybe Esteban Cambiasso and one or two more, they are players that are limited to the horizontal part of the game: they keep passing the ball from one side to another, left or right, without any kind of vertical penetration.

Can’t you use your defensive midfielder to introduce a surprise factor in the match? Let’s say, first he passes laterally and then, suddenly, forward?


DS: What’s the difference between playing with three or four midfielders?

AVB: Rafa Benitez created a 4-4-2 much more dynamic than the usual English 4-4-2. Because he introduced speed in ball possession, he gave it variation between forward and lateral passes.

The usual classic English 4-4-2 is more basic: a penetrating midfielder and another one that stays in position; a winger who moves inside and another one who stays wide; a full back who overlaps and another one who covers the defence.

If you talk about a 4-4-2 diamond, that’s totally different. You play with two pivotal midfielders, one defensive and one offensive, so it creates many more problems for your opponent. Defensively, though, you take a great risk of conceding too much space because you are very central and you lack width. You have to create compensation mechanisms.

Me, I’m a 4-3-3 fan, not 4-4-2. I don’t see how a classic 4-4-2 could work in the Spanish league, where every team plays 4-3-3 and the superiority of the midfield has become crucial. What Mourinho did with Chelsea with his 4-3-3 was something never seen before: a dynamic structure, aggressive, with aggressive transitions...and then there is Barca’s 4-3-3, which wouldn’t work in England, because of the higher risk of losing the ball.

If you have midfielders like Frank Lampard or Steven Gerrard you don’t want your forwards to come and play between lines, because Lampard and Gerrard have a large field of action and very often move in to those spaces. Lampard was often irritated with Didier Drogba because Drogba wanted to receive the ball there but then, amazingly, his first touch was poor, so he lost the ball and we were exposed to a transition from the opponent. So we had to limit Drogba from going there and ask him to play deeper.


DS: Is recycling possession essential in the attacking organisation of a top team?

AVB: Well, it’s essential to every team. Every team want to score. That’s the purpose of the game. Barcelona play laterally only after a forward pass. See how the centre backs go out with ball, how they construct the play. They open up (moving wider), so that the right or left-back can join the midfield line. Guardiola has talked about it: the centre backs provoke the opponent, invite them forward then, if the opponent applies quick pressure the ball goes to the other central defender, and this one makes a vertical pass - Not to the midfielders, who have their back turned to the ball, but to those moving between lines, Andres Iniesta or Lionel Messi, or even directly to the striker.

Then they play the second ball with short lay-offs, either to the wingers who have cut inside or the midfielders, who now have the game in front of them. They have an enormous capacity not to lose the ball, to do things with an unbelievable precision.

Another thing about Barcelona, there is always a full-back who arrives earlier in the attack, the other stays in position initially but then progressively joins the attack, as the ball circulates on the other side of the pitch, so he can be a surprise element. When you least expect he arrives. He chooses the perfect timing for the overlap.


DS: Louis Van Gaal says a forward pass is not a risk, but a lateral pass is because when you make a horizontal pass you are much more open, more exposed in case you lose the ball.

AVB: Yes, that’s right. And there are differences between a lateral pass and a slightly diagonal pass.

Something that used to happen a lot in England, when teams played 4-4-2, was that the central midfielders exchanged the ball between them in parallel passes so what we did with Lampard, or Liverpool did with Gerrard, was to try to cut into that space between the two midfielders with fast movement from Lampard (or Gerrard). If they got the ball there, there were already two opponents eliminated in the attacking transition.


DS: How do you attack a team that plays with park-the-bus tactics?

AVB: Let’s see. Juventus play with a very deep line, they don’t put any pressure on you high up the field. Nowadays most teams don’t. It can limit you because they control the space behind them with perfect offside timing.

They limit your forward passes as well because they are all grouped within 30 or 40 metres, completely closed in two lines of four plus the two forwards. So you start constructing “short”, begin the attacking process with your centre-backs of full-backs carrying the ball forward to the midfield area but then you want to pass the ball to the midfielders and you don’t know how to do it, because there is an ultra-limited space, everything is completely closed.


DS: So what to do?

AVB: You have to provoke them with the ball, which is something most teams can’t do. I cannot understand it. It’s an essential factor in the game. At this time of ultra defensive  teams, you will have to learn how to provoke them with the ball. It’s the ball they want, so you have to defy them using the ball as a carrot.
Louis Van Gaal’s idea is one of continuous circulation, one side to the other, until the moment that, when you change direction, an space opens up inside and you go through it.

So, he provokes the opponent with lateral circulation of the ball, until the moment that the opponent will start to pressure out of despair. What I believe in is to challenge the rival by driving the ball into him. That’s something Pep Guardiola believes is decisive. And that’s something that Henk ten Cate also took to Avram Grant’s Chelsea. He took it with him from Frank Rijkaard’s Barcelona. We did it differently at Chelsea under Mourinho.

Our attacking construction was different, with the ball going directly to the full-backs or midfielders. With Ten Cate, play was started with John Terry or Ricardo Carvalho, to invite the opponent’s pressure. Then you had one less opponent in the next step of construction.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multime ... art18-1_1927022a.pd

KimD@ngD@ng

Liverpool made Ajax coach Frank de Boer the No. 1 target to replace manager Kenny Dalglish and contacted the former Netherlands defender over the weekend, the Sun reported.

Andre Villas-Boas wants a “project” to re-enter football for, but will require a detailed knowledge of the terms and demands attached to the new Liverpool manager’s job before committing to the club.

一些消息分享

咖啡杀手

谁来都无所谓，只要下赛季能拿下英超冠军就可以鸟。。

痞子酷

Liverpool made Ajax coach Frank de Boer the No. 1 target to replace manager Kenny Dalglish and conta ...
KimD@ngD@ng 发表于 21-5-2012 04:50 PM

Frank de Boer说不想来了。


现在最有可能的是AVB。

KimD@ngD@ng

Frank de Boer说不想来了。


现在最有可能的是AVB。
痞子酷 发表于 21-5-2012 05:15 PM

AVB啊，叫他快點來。。。其實我覺得他很不錯。希望他加入后與球員們合作愉快。另外，他也真的很帥

KimD@ngD@ng

谁来都无所谓，只要下赛季能拿下英超冠军就可以鸟。。
咖啡杀手 发表于 21-5-2012 05:09 PM

其實想想Wigan的manager來也可以的。。。

咖啡杀手

其實想想Wigan的manager來也可以的。。。
KimD@ngD@ng 发表于 21-5-2012 05:45 PM

其实他的战术踢法是豪门的战术来，大胆快攻和控球。
只是球会没有钱。看看那些球员一个一个走，wigan可以撑到现在算不错了。

n zogbia 和 cleverly 离开是最大的损失。现在Rodallega, di santo 和moses又要走。
gomez和mccarthy可能也走人。。

KimD@ngD@ng

其实他的战术踢法是豪门的战术来，大胆快攻和控球。
只是球会没有钱。看看那些球员一个一个走，wiga ...
咖啡杀手 发表于 21-5-2012 05:51 PM

看他在英超最後那幾場的7連勝就是一個proving。不過坦白說來。。。我是沒什麽看下游比賽

livbest

其实他的战术踢法是豪门的战术来，大胆快攻和控球。
只是球会没有钱。看看那些球员一个一个走，wiga ...
咖啡杀手 发表于 21-5-2012 05:51 PM

   有点怕的是Martinez来了，那些要离开的也跟着来利物浦。。当然，挖到宝那没事么。。
最怕又来个孔切斯基...

咖啡杀手

看他在英超最後那幾場的7連勝就是一個proving。不過坦白說來。。。我是沒什麽看下游比賽
KimD@ngD@ng 发表于 21-5-2012 06:01 PM

   那你要多看鸟。。其实下游的教练也很强的，只是他们的球会现金有限，不能买更好的球员而以。。
不过也要考虑到这些没当过豪门的教练，毕竟压力是比下游的球会大，而且不知道能不能顶得住球队里的大牌。

咖啡杀手

有点怕的是Martinez来了，那些要离开的也跟着来利物浦。。当然，挖到宝那没事么。。
最怕又来个孔 ...
livbest 发表于 21-5-2012 06:01 PM

   因为有失败的例子所以怕怕。。我也很怕。。

KimD@ngD@ng

那你要多看鸟。。其实下游的教练也很强的，只是他们的球会现金有限，不能买更好的球员而以。。
...
咖啡杀手 发表于 21-5-2012 06:06 PM

是的。我也告訴自己以後要看多點下游賽事。上星期有看west ham對blackpool
還真的踢到很屎下。毫無組織可言的踢法。
如你所寫，唯一擔心是Martínez是否能克得住那幾個大牌球員。如S7,C23,G8,B39等。。。

Gareth_909

AVB的战术是什么?(转)
早上看完了全场VS曼城的比赛，除了欣喜梅花马塔干儿子的交易成功之外，个人还是深切感知到博阿斯还在巴萨和瓜迪奥拉的模式中继续探索的意图。

首先，教练是球探出身，战术知识得罗布森真传，本赛季上任由其完成决策了3笔转会交易：马塔（托雷斯参与）、干儿子、梅花，目前看来，3人已经成了球员的主要骨干，马塔一个边锋T出了4000万级别的表现，成了切尔西前场核心；干儿子T出了大于身价1000万的表现，目前已经是个合乎标准的后腰；而28岁的梅花的表现也比其转会费只多不少。其中干儿子刚刚年满20，马塔23，今后该两人将会成为俱乐部的核心骨干。

再次，对阵中游和弱旅继续沿用了巴萨战术，高位防守依旧，而且前场逼抢仍旧是投入大量人数，不同在于，博阿斯特别布置了边后卫的站位和压上时机的选择，中卫也适时回撤一点，这个基本符合瓜迪奥拉宇宙队对阵一些强队时候的微调T法。

目前看来，这支切尔西有点穷人版巴萨的意思，巴萨的433会变种成343，就是后腰回撤坐镇两个中卫之间或者稍微突前，来处理向前性的传球和组织调度，而本场比赛罗梅乌的位置也是回撤相当深，看起来像是第三中卫，只是他和米克尔不同，米克尔是站住位置，而罗梅乌会学习布斯克茨那样适时上抢压上。
由于罗梅乌的回撤，看似组成了3中卫，导致边后卫可以插上进攻，这时候在进攻时间形成了343的阵型，前场人员多了之后球员的相互呼应和传球准确率提升。
对比这场VS曼城的T法，后腰后撤中卫身前，形成3中卫的假象，边后卫得以解放插上，形成343的阵型，这个改变和瓜迪奥拉有些时候的巴萨一模一样，当巴萨在狂攻之际往往会形成343的进攻体系，边后卫当边锋用，两个边锋适时内切。
这场比赛博阿斯的排兵不仅像，而且连后腰这个位置除了名字之外的利用也是一模一样，同时是先认干儿子，一个抛弃图雷一个抛弃米克尔，上位速度可能罗梅乌还要更快，而这场博阿斯居然也效仿出了巴萨的343，罗梅乌的后撤和布斯克茨也是基本一致。可能是布斯克茨打过中卫的缘故，所以在这个位置上，两人的差距还是不小，罗梅乌还需要大量比赛去提高。

前场方面，在罗梅乌后撤形成3中卫的局面下，解放边后卫插上，形成了4中场，但是马塔为了兼顾组织，他的压上和回收使得切尔西在343和352的切换中来去自如，虽然这场比赛被重点针对，但是博阿斯的343变种收到了成效，边后卫的压上和边锋以及前场联动起来，可以说后面那张红牌也是战术得当所致。

现在还有一点，如果这点也学会了，那就是完完全全的穷人版宇宙模式。如果后期冬季或者夏季成功补进一个组织核心，可以学习板鸭和宇宙的模式，形成他们赖以成名的前场双核模式，这样球队的进攻多元化更加明显，有了双核，阵型的变种切换来去自如，而且对手盯防目标多就会造成顾此失彼，看看巴萨的小白就是明证。

为什么目前是穷人版的巴萨，主要是因为：
1.教练是进攻流，崇尚433以及地面推进，符合阿布审美的同时也和瓜迪奥拉统一流派（上赛季瓜迪奥拉欧冠冠军、博阿斯欧联冠军）
2.高位防守不会摒弃，面对大批量对手的时候，在进攻段时间后场仍旧是压上，目前做的只是在成绩的压力下面对一些强敌时候适时回撤一点，这点基本和瓜迪奥拉一样，他也会在一些比赛当中做出微调。
3.罗梅乌完全效仿了布斯克茨，VS曼城这场博阿斯开发出了433到343的变种，教练在开发罗梅乌类似于布斯克茨那样的战术定位
4.穷人版主要目前是穷在球员个人能力（传球成功率、进攻主导率和控球率），这个后期可以通过引援和战术得以修正，今后几个转会窗口如果类似于马塔罗梅乌梅花级别的球员多了起来，球员的整体实力自然得到提升。

Gareth_909

戰術限制  貝Benitez堪稱大師


    人無完人, 任何一名主教練都有自己擅長的領域和不擅長的領域, Benitez肯定有自

己的優點和自己的缺點, 只要你並不太健忘, 你就無法由於利物浦現在的衰弱否定

Benitez的全部. 足球場上的戰術一般分為兩個方面, 第一個方面是如何發揮自身, 第二

個方案在於如何限制對手發揮, 至少在第二個方面, Benitez仍然是和Mourinho, Capello

等人同一檔次的名帥. 過去五年利物浦貢獻了很多讓人無法忘記的絕世好局, 除了拜仁和

曼聯無緣交手之外, 幾乎所有的歐洲豪門都有在歐冠上被利物浦淘汰的經歷.


    04-05賽季Benitez的利物浦在歐洲起航, 八強戰淘汰尤文圖斯, 半決賽淘汰切爾西,

決賽逆轉AC米蘭奪冠；06-07賽季, 利物浦獲得亞軍, 誰都記得利物浦淘汰巴薩和切爾西

的壯舉；07-08賽季, 利物浦半決賽輸給了切爾西, 但是其在16強戰和8強戰中先後淘汰了

國際米蘭和阿森納, 08-09賽季, 利物浦兩回合5：0橫掃皇馬, 在聯賽中也有4: 1擊敗曼

聯的好局, 在這些輝煌的記憶中, Benitez的戰術部署和臨場指揮都給人留下了非常深刻

的印象, 在其中大部分的比賽中, 他都用非常有針對性的戰術部署限制了對手的發揮. 可

以說, 在過去五年內, 利物浦在歐洲讓所有豪門膽寒, 頑強的作風和精細的戰術都讓利物

浦成了一塊極硬的骨頭.


    但是, 戰術部署和臨場指揮並非俱樂部主教練工作的全部, 即便Benitez是有些人心

目中堪比曹操的戰術大師, 但是事實是, 五年來他只奪得了一個歐冠和一個足總杯, 精彩

的勝局並不代表一個接一個的獎盃. 在戰術部署之外, Benitez有著很多其他的缺陷.


戰術設計 Benitez單調遲緩


    若論如何通過戰術去克制對手, 全歐可能沒有多少主帥能和Benitez抗衡, 但是問題

是你並不是每週都面對豪門級別的強隊, 在大多數的中下游球隊面前, 利物浦不再是限制

者, 而變成了被限制者, 出於暗處的對手不會壓出來主動搶攻你, Benitez也不可能對一

個賽季以來每一個對手的戰術特點都了然於胸, 在這種時候, 你更需要去發揮自身實力,

而不是去限制對手. 如何為利物浦設計一套主動發揮型的打法, 把利物浦球員的特點組合

起來, 去穩定地拿下一些中下游球隊, 這一直是Benitez沒有解決好的問題.


    Benitez為球隊塑造打法的能力稍顯薄弱, 他對防守限制極有心得, 但是對進攻發揮

辦法不多. 和Ancelotti不同, Benitez顯然是先有戰術, 再為其戰術引進相應特點球員的

, 而Ancelotti卻更擅長量體裁衣, 迅速針對球隊已有人員的特點設計最佳打法. 在

Benitez的戰術體系中, 他崇尚的是4-5-1式的打法, 後防線穩定壓倒一切, 而在中前場,

三名中前衛分別對應攔截, 組織, 串聯前插三種角色, 兩名邊前衛攻防兼備, 奔跑能力強

, 單前鋒個人能力強, 能夠回撤拿球也能做禁區內最後一擊. Benitez從04-05賽季花了整

整三個賽季不停地買人賣人進行調試, 終於為自己崇尚的打法找到了最適合的球員：中場

Mascherano+Alonso+Gerrard三位一體, 兩邊Kuyt和Riera能上能下, 單前鋒Torres犀利無

比. 而其08-09賽季勇奪英超亞軍, 和其打法已經塑造成型有著很大的關係.


    但是問題是在Benitez海選適合自己戰術需求的球員時, 做了太多的重複嘗試, 並在

這些反覆中削弱了球隊的陣容深度, 08-09賽季的利物浦只是強在主力陣容, 兩回合5-0拿

下皇馬後Gerrard受傷, 利物浦立馬就在切爾西面前原形畢露, Benitez的打法對球隊中前

場球員個人能力要求過高, 一旦中前場幾個支柱位置上有人受傷, 其後果是災難性的. 一

個好的主教練能夠在重要球員受傷的時候通過戰術上的變化讓其他球員做出貢獻, 但是

Benitez根本就拿不出戰術上的B方案, 硬讓N'Gog去做Torres做的事情當然效果不佳.


    本賽季前, Alonso轉會皇馬, 利物浦一下子就失去了中場組織者, 在失去中場有效組

織後, 由於在Benitez的戰術體系中, 兩翼重在覆蓋, 本身並不鋒利, 無法通過邊路撕開

對方防線的缺口, 所以球隊對Torres和Gerrard的依賴進一步升級. 而不幸的是Gerrard和

Torres又遇到了連番傷病, 利物浦只能漸漸沉淪到了谷底.

mcwong

AVB, Idea和战术想法是很漂亮下
tcguanz 发表于 21-5-2012 03:13 PM

讲到很详细呢，看来他很有可能来利物浦，因为他讲的很多是利物浦缺少的，他有在注意喔。
如果他真的来而又打4－3－3的话，很多现在的利物浦球员应该会被卖，因为没有几个可以好像他讲的。

古仔

所以说贝帅没有了主力上场，那么就凶多吉少了...

stubird

AVB啊，叫他快點來。。。其實我覺得他很不錯。希望他加入后與球員們合作愉快。另外，他也真的很帥
KimD@ngD@ng 发表于 21-5-2012 05:44 PM

个人觉得AVB是mourinho的copy cat
其实谁来我都不介意，不出名的也不要紧
最重要是会变通，tactic和场上发生的事情可以在handle 得到
会利用换人，如果这些都ok，输了我也感觉ok