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jeff_love_peace

最新消息；沙巴边防治安一波未平一波又起！警方对斗湖和仙本那对住在沿海的居民发出熄灯劝告以防暴乱份子有机可乘。大约晚上八点半左右，有走私天堂之称的先本那（Senporna）响起枪声，在Kg. Simunul的冰毒毒犯，被掃毒组发现逃跑时向警察开鎗，双方发生枪战，根据目击者称至少一名警察受伤。

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海盗之王

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dewieven

yffpp 发表于 2-3-2013 10:26 PM
跟 sabah 网友聊天 讲到 Sabah 人 还怕到 “ 飞虫 ” 我还一个头两个大 。。。怎么可能 ！真想不到 那边的 ...

别怕你要到的地方離拿篤有五百多km.

yffpp

dewieven 发表于 2-3-2013 10:50 PM
别怕你要到的地方離拿篤有五百多km.

谢谢 您的定心丸 。。

cmz0927

是和毒贩开火还是和sulu？

海盗之王

媒体的话我从来都不信。。

dewieven

Alexsuen 為了朋友扣分也要下帖了

cupid25

其实也替你们担心和着急，大家也害怕
只是我想知道大家心里怎么想和怎么面对这事情？


你们会选择 armed 吗？还是选择离开 sabah 。我看你们那儿。。。各个只追踪新闻但你们有什么打算？总要有打算吧，别老 harap 政府。。。假如失败也许晚上就到你家门开枪（因为他们组织也许那里都有，你们没团结是麻烦。。。政府在外，人民在内是很重要成功）。。。别等到事情变特别差才做决定。你们会留下来帮忙打？还是选择逃跑？



（我只感觉政府在托托拉拉感觉。。。他们都 rebel 了，为何还需要规则？而且你们生在sabah该比这不只所谓 sultan 更有权利）

LOYAL

祝愿东马的同胞，希望SuLu事件快些有个美好的结局。

来自亚庇的成

这里也不是乱到很乱啦...lahad datu那里也不是乱到世界大乱那样啦...

xtecool

我刚从朋友家PAPAR喝满月酒冲回家，因为10点朋友打电话来说仙本娜开打了，亚庇封路，军队进加雅岛搜索，半路被3个road block拦下来，用电筒照照我的靓仔样，放我过！本以为真的很大件事，经过Lintas看到一大班人还在那边喝茶，炸到我。。。

lee_sy85

苏绿苏丹军为何突然登陆拿笃，声称索讨沙巴主权？他们虽然集结在沙巴拿笃、道苏和巴喿的族人支持，并获得军火支援，可是事败垂成。

菲律宾主要大报 [菲律宾调查者日报] 揭露，三股势力煽动苏绿苏丹，令他雄心万丈，仓促地在今年一月杪策划登陆拿笃行动。

苏绿苏丹嘉玛鲁基兰是个野心勃勃的人，他一直憧憬昔日的苏绿王朝辉煌时代，希望大权在手，而不仅限于在菲律宾东南当个島主。他在2010年参选参议员席位落败，而去年10月，菲律宾总统阿奎诺政府与摩格回教解放阵线签署和平献议，完全没有考虑把苏绿列入在內，而且菲律宾政府已搁置申索沙巴主权议题，令他完全不是味道，加上三股势力不断游说他，令他信心十足，以为菲律宾政府会对他刮目相看，甚至最终会出兵助他一臂之力，以致使出险招。

苏丹嘉玛鲁基兰想藉此行动落实“一石三鸟”阴媒，除要挟马来西亚政府索讨沙巴主权，若不成功至少要提升“租金”，并要大马政府承认苏绿苏丹地位。

这三股势力集团各怀鬼胎，想要利用苏丹嘉玛鲁基兰索讨沙巴主权，以便从中谋取金錢和政治利益。

第一股势力建议苏丹嘉玛鲁基兰以现今的地价向马来西亚索讨“租金”，如果得逞，这股势力可从中分一杯羮。

史料阐述，苏绿王朝建立于15世纪，汶莱苏丹当时为了答谢苏绿苏丹助他平息內乱而把沙巴割让让苏绿苏丹。一个世纪后，西班牙军队歼灭苏绿王朝；1885年，西班牙与英国签署协约，割让北婆罗州主权。尔后马来亚从英国手中宣布独立，几年后沙巴加盟马来西亚，成为其中一个州属。

据知，马来西亚根据协定每年向苏绿苏丹缴交相等于1，500美元“租金”，沙巴幅员74，500平方公里，若按每平方里索讨租金100美元，可要7千450万美元一年。

第二股势力是反对阿奎诺政权的集团，主要是菲律宾前总统阿罗约支持者组成，他们受到阿奎诺政权排挤，大权旁落，期望利用苏丹嘉玛鲁基兰登陆沙巴事件向阿奎诺施压，目前已有十几名菲律宾人民（其实死者当中一部分拥有大马身分证）在马来西亚国土被杀，足于构成对阿奎诺行政机构的严竣考验。

第三股势力则是反对党领袖安华，去年11月他率领一支代表团拜访苏丹嘉玛鲁基兰，据说代表当中包括蔡添强。安华保证反对党阵营全力支持苏丹嘉玛鲁基兰索讨沙巴主权。

苏绿军登陆沙巴正是马来西亚第13届全国大选前夕，如果纳吉政府无法妥善处理这件棘手事件，就会引起民怨，成为压倒骆驼的最后一根稻草，民联板倒执政56年的国阵政府的机会大大增加。

沙巴是马来西亚第二大州属，海线长达1，440公里，苏丹嘉玛鲁基兰胞弟阿基慕汀基兰率领几十个苏丹军用快艇经海路约45分鈡就轻易悄悄登陆拿笃。

马来西亚政府不敢轻举妄动，强施武力驱逐这小撮外国侵入者，更何况当中大部分人拥有大马身分证，胥视于回教情谊和维护菲律宾政府的友好关系，还要顾全沙巴州內80万菲律宾藉大马居民的感受，施使武力绝对是最后手段。

菲律宾政府第一时间派遣谈判团队游说阿基慕汀基兰带领他的属下撤离，但这些人视死如归，不成功则成仁，坚守不撤。

马来西亚政府希望通过外交手段完善处理这个危机，前后给了3次最后通牒，还是不得要领，菲律宾政府要求通融再给第4次机会，苏绿军还是不为所动。最终惟有动武突破冗长的僵局，尽速解除危机。

此事虽告一个段落，但还留下手尾，州內80万菲律宾藉人会否不滿意而隨时动乱，已形成令人担心的计时炸弹。马来西亚和菲律宾政府还需要安抚苏丹嘉玛鲁基兰，滿足他的需求，避免此事重演。此外，马来西亚政府还需向其他回教国解释此事，迴避回教徒情谊受到伤害。

后续工作可没完没了，可想而知此事引发的冲击有多大。


详文內容如下：


Gov’t intel eyes 3 groups abetting Sulu sultan’s claim


Nikko Dizon, Philippine Daily Inquirer
Whether the heirs of the sultanate of Sulu acted on their own to reclaim Sabah or were instigated by an external force to do so, one thing is certain, according to government intelligence sources: It was a business that proved too big for the heirs to handle on their own.
The sources said that the Philippine government’s policy on Sabah is to keep it in the back burner.
But apparently “some people” want to push it forward now. And why now, at this time, is one of the questions government intelligence is looking into.
The sources consistently mentioned three groups that appear to have taken advantage of the decision of the Kirams to pursue their Sabah claim.
“These are groups that wanted to ride on the Kirams’ pursuit with their own interests in mind,” one of the sources said.
Another source added: “There are a lot who can gain from this, not just in the Philippines but in Malaysia as well.”
These “external factors,” as an Inquirer source described the groups, are one small faction that is in it for the money, an anti-Aquino administration group, and the Malaysian political opposition.
“The Kirams planned to pursue their claim as early as last year. But they went to Lahad Datu also on the instigation of these groups,” the intelligence officer said.
The small group supposedly goaded the Kirams to ask Malaysia for a higher rent on Sabah. If Malaysia gives in, this small group would allegedly have a share of the increase.
The anti-administration group simply wants to discredit President Aquino and is using the peace process as a cause of disenchantment for the Kirams.
“All those who do not like P-Noy (the President’s nickname) have joined forces. This is one way to really test how this administration will react (to such an issue). Whatever happens in Malaysia, there will be a backlash on us,” one source said.
“In a way, whoever wants to disrupt the peace process or the gains of President Aquino has already won,” the source added.
The third group is allegedly the Malaysian political opposition, which is gearing up for general elections that may be called before June.
The intelligence officer said that one member of the Malaysian political opposition allied with Anwar Ibrahim was running for a post in Sabah.
“Apparently, this politician was one of those who spoke with the Kirams. He supposedly gave the opposition’s support to the Kirams’ claim to Sabah,” the source said.
November meeting
The source also believed that in their meeting in November last year, the Kirams decided to “reclaim Sabah or at least ask for a compensation for Sabah that is commensurate to the land’s value today, and for the royal family to be given due recognition by Malaysia.”
But it is being Tausug that is keeping Sultan Jamalul Kiram III, his family, and their subjects stubbornly pressing their renewed claim to Sabah, even to the extent of defying President Aquino, one of the Inquirer sources said.
“This is the last stand of Sultan Jamalul. Being Tausug, they already gave their word they would pursue their claim. This is now do or die for them just to keep their word of honor,” the source, a senior military officer, told the Inquirer.
But for another security administrator analyzing the events of the past three weeks, the Kirams appear to be quite edgy of late.
“They are confused. The government is hopeful that we can buy more time, find a diplomatic way out,” the source said, referring to the government’s efforts to help settle the standoff between Malaysian security forces and an armed group led by Jamalul’s brother, Agbimuddin Kiram, in Tanduao village in Lahad Datu town now in its third week.
Kiram unity
The Inquirer’s sources are from the diplomatic and defense establishments. They asked not to be named as they were not authorized to speak to journalists about their analysis of developments in the so-called journey home to Sabah of the Kirams.
The source said the Kirams decided to unite because they felt left out of the peace negotiations between the Aquino administration and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, which signed a preliminary peace deal last October.
Calling gov’t attention
“The Kirams wanted to get the attention of the Philippine government,” the source said.
“For so many years, the family felt they have been exploited in politics. Sultan Jamalul was goaded to run for senator in 2010 but he lost. Then their letter to President Aquino (in 2010 before he assumed office) got lost,” the source said.
The source said the Kirams and their followers “conceived the details of the plan to go to Lahad Datu” in late January this year.
“In February, a small group of the Kirams’ followers left for Lahad Datu, followed by Raja Muda Agbimuddin,” the source said.
The estimated 70 firearms now in the hands of the group holed up in Tanduao are owned by residents in Lahad Datu, Tausug and Badjao holding Malaysian identification cards, the source said.
Malaysian security forces have encircled Agbimuddin’s group but are holding action, with the grace period for the group to leave having been extended three times and a fourth being requested by the Philippine government.
Malaysians careful
The Inquirer’s military source said the impasse continues because the Malaysians are extra careful in dealing with Agbimmudin’s group.
“They are all Muslims and they know that if there is violence, it would go on forever. There are 800,000 Filipinos in Sabah. It would be a huge problem in Sabah if violence erupts. The Malaysian security forces may end up dealing with guerrillas or a rido,” the source said, using a Muslim term for clan war.
- See more at: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/366 ... cwg16.5seydpVf.dpuf


從政經轉過來的，菲律賓報紙翻譯過來。

lee_sy85

ss_lee 发表于 2-3-2013 01:04 AM
听你这样讲放心很多了～谢谢你！
到tawau后就直接去仙本纳了～
之后两天会跟resort的团出海～第四天就回 ...

島被封鎖了。。

haute3

希望这个烂政府可以醒觉，趁这件事一次过把所有的x虫扫清光
无证件的一律遣返，有身份证但没有报生纸的也一律遣返

精忠报国

刚喝完茶回来，lintas如平常那样热闹～

cupid25

在 lowyat 已经说有 500 tentera diraja Suluk 再进入了。。。。


http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2720477/+2100

AH猫

cupid25 发表于 3-3-2013 02:00 AM
在 lowyat 已经说有 500 tentera diraja Suluk 再进入了。。。。

“...sudah masuk di Sepanggar Bay dan Kg.Inaruntung, Pitas.”


现在越来越怕。。担心。。

cupid25

AH猫 发表于 3-3-2013 02:18 AM
“...sudah masuk di Sepanggar Bay dan Kg.Inaruntung, Pitas.”

我也真好奇你们 sabah 人怎么如此淡定。。。还是从来没有了解 sulu 人历史和性格。我不是那儿人都替你们担心。。。也睡不着。现在才着急。

河豚

AH猫 发表于 3-3-2013 02:18 AM
“...sudah masuk di Sepanggar Bay dan Kg.Inaruntung, Pitas.”

在terengganu 会比我们早知道吗？我很奇怪。。。

河豚

cupid25 发表于 3-3-2013 02:27 AM
我也真好奇你们 sabah 人怎么如此淡定。。。还是从来没有了解 sulu 人历史和性格。我不是那儿人都替你们担 ...

表面淡定吧。。。 说不紧张，是不可能的。。。