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我妈有糖尿病,千吩咐万吩咐要declare,可是保单发现没有declare。该如何?钱给了。
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本帖最后由 sadnessnight 于 22-6-2016 11:30 PM 编辑
我32岁,
想买ilp,但是我妈妈有糖尿病,56岁才患上的,外婆也是有,但是妈妈的7个兄妹中,只有我妈妈有糖尿病。
我的兄妹全部没有糖尿病。
请问,
如果我买ilp,到时不幸患上糖尿病,
请问medical card 可以claim 吗?
谢谢大家。
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最新发展,我给了一年的保费,
我之前已经交待要declare我妈妈有糖尿病,
可是保险代理没有帮我declare,
我现在没有签acknowledge form,
想放弃这份保单了。。。。。。。。
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发表于 27-5-2016 01:13 AM
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当你申请时,一定要和公司申报你妈妈的病情,再看公司的审核结果,也许公司会要求loading
假设申报后,公司到最后还是批准了你的申请,往后有天不幸患上糖尿或因糖尿所引起的病症,你依然收保
重点是要declare,否则公司有权利说你有意隐瞒哦
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发表于 27-5-2016 03:57 AM
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你可以申请的,如果你要帮你妈妈买保险也是可以的,如果方便,我们可以约个时间谈谈 |
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发表于 27-5-2016 07:51 AM
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发表于 27-5-2016 09:47 AM
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可以去申請,最後由公司決定~
申請時需要如實晨報家族病例給公司(如有),包括父母,兄弟,孩子的。
申請過程公司會讓你去驗血,看是否健康。
最後一切沒問題公司保你,或公司設立某些病例是不在保範圍你又答應簽名了,那麼之後不是患上在不保範圍的病例,其它的都可以索賠。
簡單的回复,希望你看得明白。
如有任何疑問/不明白的可以再問我。 |
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发表于 27-5-2016 11:07 AM
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申报后等公司定夺。
不用太担心,如果你的兄弟姐妹都没有,那么可批准几率会比较大。
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发表于 27-5-2016 01:02 PM
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sadnessnight 发表于 26-5-2016 11:36 PM
我32岁,
想买ilp,但是我妈妈有糖尿病,56岁才患上的,外婆也是有,但是妈妈的7个兄妹中,只有我妈妈有糖尿病。
我的兄妹全部没有糖尿病。
请问,
如果我买ilp,到时不幸患上糖尿病,
请问medical card 可以cl ...
你好,我是丰隆保险公司的agent. Hong Leong Assurance. 我是Jazz. 公司刚推出了一种保单是给专属有糖尿病患者,你先知道关于这一个吗? |
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发表于 27-5-2016 08:31 PM
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坦白说,如果是已经患上糖尿病了,是已经买不到医药卡了。因为保险公司不会做亏本的生意。
当然有代理会告诉你还可以买,那么要确定他有申报糖尿病,不然买是可以买到的,只是到时赔不出而已(欺诈保险公司)。要白纸黑字写的,因为很多时候是保客有申报,代理为了要生意,交时却没有申报。
有些保险公司也有些特别保险给患病的客户购买,但一定不是医药卡,是其它人寿或储蓄之类。不要被误导为医药卡。
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发表于 19-10-2017 12:15 PM
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安联刚刚推出专为糖尿病患者医药卡
可以联络我 0125258910 |
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发表于 24-10-2017 08:12 PM
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这些保险贱人就是这样,死命教/帮顾客说不要declare,没事的,只懂hit sales target。
等下要claim的时候,保险公司来信说你之前去某诊所/医院检查过糖尿病,不止糖尿病我们不赔,就算是没有什么关系的脑癌我们都不赔。
到时找agent,分分钟还会赖回顾客,什么呀?你有和我说过你有糖尿病?
哎呀,有糖尿病就讲啦,大不了加保费和不保糖尿病。你瞒报,现在连脑癌都不赔了。
保险贱人自己骗人,还会好意思暗示是顾客在骗。
小心贱人,远离贱人。 |
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发表于 24-10-2017 10:50 PM
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我想楼主应该是担心家族历史会否影响自己的保单吧。
保险公司的确有这方面的考量。一般上家庭里越多成员有该种疾病,那本身将来患上的风险也越高。
通常保险公司会比较注重第一线家庭成员的病史,比方说父母亲,兄弟姐妹,这些是第一线。其他亲戚则属于第二或第三线。
家庭成员发病年龄也是一项考量,毕竟年龄较老,病痛自然也较多。试试比较一下一个年老才有糖尿病的人和一个年纪轻轻就有糖尿病的人,哪一个才让人担心呢?
如果细看楼主描述,我不认为你的保单会有什么影响,毕竟才有一个一线家庭成员有糖尿病。这种情况恐怕满街人都是,却不见得他们统统都最后患上糖尿病。
楼主应该也不满意为什么 agent 没有呈报给公司,建议楼主直接联络保险公司的客服,这样来得更实际。
最后要说的是不管家庭病史如何,最重要的还是保持健康生活习惯,预防胜于治疗,比起害怕家族病史来得强。
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发表于 25-10-2017 01:53 PM
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曾经我想过保险公司如何获取过去的病历。经纪解释说当你刷医药卡后,保险公司会在2小时内批准,这段时间很短的时间,要把你所有的以往在不同医院的病历找出来真的很难,主要是病人说太多,医生全都记录在案,他们才会发现和申请的资料不符合。所以还是说别把不该说的也说了。 |
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发表于 26-10-2017 06:06 PM
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这并不正确。
保险公司和每间医院都有连接,只要在医院/诊所看过病,保险公司都会知道。
若真的没有报上去,保险公司到最后可以保留不赔偿的权力,所以还是有什么说什么。
当然,说话也要有技巧,保险代理员也要写得有技巧性。
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发表于 27-10-2017 02:02 PM
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我也是有听说过。保险公司能查到你到过那家医院,见了什么医生。所以呀我想如果有过去病历,可以去补填表格,之后保险公司会需要你回答问题,可能还需要医生报告。
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发表于 28-10-2017 05:21 PM
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保险不会骗人,很多时候被骗的反而是保险公司。
保单 Policy 是一份合约,上面清楚写明赔法和情况,
保险公司不会这么蠢去耍赖,被人家控告 导致自己名誉扫地。
申请保单的过程,最重要老实,有什么情况都要写进去,
保险公司也会告诉你他们审批的结果,这样就心安理得,
也不用怕Claim不到。
千万别天真到以为保险公司查不到你的病历,其实一清二楚。
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发表于 29-10-2017 09:59 PM
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保单里面的clause全部都是保障保险公司的,整个姿势就是有人不爽就不要买。
他们不是不会骗人,而是把摆明合法化吃顾客。
有人不信的话,就把整份保单upload上来,放个链接,我告诉你保险公司怎样垄断最终解释权。
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发表于 29-10-2017 10:11 PM
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老实说呀,保险公司吃相怎么这么难看?
什么都check到的话,怎么就不收钱时候什么都check?发现资料不对,直接拒绝采纳顾客呀。
收钱no problem。
要赔钱的时候,才开始做功课,去检查顾客有没有漏报,瞒报,错报。
这种做事方式真是cheap到爆。 |
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发表于 30-10-2017 02:42 PM
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合约精神就是双方同意下签下的,没有说谁骗谁 谁吃谁,如果不同意就应该选择不签下。
即使拿到保单,保客依然有15天的Cooling Period去阅读这份保单,
当中有什么不同意/不喜欢的地方,保险公司可以Totally Refund 。
至于那个最后垄断解释权,就好象每个比赛规则都有 【主办单位抱有最后决定权利】。
你或许会觉得不公平,但是合约上也写明白,签下字就代表同意。不同意可以选择不签名。
但是 据我所知,保险公司很少出动这项条例,符合情况就会赔偿。
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发表于 1-11-2017 03:29 PM
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楼主还可以买到。也没有loading.
Loading 是当双亲都有糖尿病。 |
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发表于 1-11-2017 06:56 PM
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你不懂法律就不要乱仙。
你懂英文的话就读读书。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionability
另外贴长一点给人看:
What Is an Unconscionable Contract? An unconscionable contract is one that is so one-sided that it is unfair to one party and therefore unenforceable under law. It is a type of contract that leaves one party with no real, meaningful choice, usually due to major differences in bargaining power between the parties.
In a lawsuit, if the court finds a contract to be unconscionable, they will typically declare the contract to be void. No damages award or specific performance will be issued, but instead the parties will be released from their contract obligations.
What Makes a Contract Unconscionable?A contract may be found to be unconscionable based on three different factors:
- Undue Influence: This is where one party exercises unreasonable pressure in order to get the other party to sign the contract (especially where one party takes advantage of the other in some way)
- Duress: This where one party uses threats in order to get the other to agree to the contract terms. This can take the form of physical threats, or other types of threats (such as not releasing goods in the proper way until the other party signs)
- Unequal Bargaining Power: This occurs where one party has an unreasonable advantage of the other. This is usually proved if one party is aware that the other obviously did not understand the contract terms
- Unfair Surprise: When the party who creates the contract includes a term in the contract without the other parties knowledge and is not within the other parties expectations
- Limiting Warranty: A contract would be unconscionable if one party tries ti limit their liability to a breach of contract or to any damages that he may incur on other party
The basic characteristic of most unconscionable contracts is that one party signed the contract under situations involving pressure, lack of information, or by being misled.
What Is an Unconscionable Contract Example?A typical example of an unconscionable contract is where one party is an experienced dealer in a type of business, while the other party is an average consumer.
Suppose that the business dealer requires the consumer to sign a contract. Within the contract, they have buried very complicated, technical language that most people wouldn’t understand or recognize. The business dealer used very small font and inserted the clause in a way that would purposefully mislead the consumer into signing on unfair terms.
In this case, the contract might be declared unconscionable due to the unequal bargaining power between the parties, and the fact that one party used their knowledge and experience to take advantage of the other. If the court finds the contract unconscionable, it will be declared void and unenforceable.
What Is an Unconscionable Contract Compared to an Illegal Contract?An unconscionable contract is not the same as an illegal contract. An illegal contract is one that is against the law because the subject matter of the contract is illegal. An example of this is a contract that seeks to address illegal gambling matters.
In comparison, an unconscionable contract may not be illegal in terms of subject matter, but instead is unenforceable due to the circumstances in which the contract was entered into by the parties. In other words, a perfectly legal contract might be considered unconscionable based on the way that one party obtained the other’s signature.
What Is an Unconscionable Contract Remedy?If the court determines that the contract is unconscionable, it can do three things:
- Void Contract: The court can void the entire contract as if the contract never existed. Both parties must discharge their performance and repay any money or benefits given to them in preparation of the contract
- Void Part of the Contract: The courts can also void the contract as far as the unconscionable terms apply to and keep the rest of the contract valid if the remaining terms are still fair and conscionable.
- Modify the Contract: The court may also uphold the entire contract, but modify the terms of the contract in regards to the unconscionable parts and terms. This will allow the court to avoid the unconscionable result without having to create a entire new contract.
读清楚一点什么是unequal bargaining power和limiting warranty。这种东西出现在保单里面太多了。
至于misled那段:我注意到你刚刚就发招了,对你的顾客也是这么千的是吗?
你的话。
“据我所知,保险公司很少出动这项条例,符合情况就会赔偿。”
保险公司保单里面约束和要求顾客太多,对自己免责太多,并且保留最终解释权和变更条款的权利,是本地的顾客没有美国厉害,要不然保险公司败诉赔到xiao。
不过保险公司如果继续太过分,迟早被人诉到烂。现在也不是什么民智未开的时代。
再引用你的话:
“据我所知,保险公司很少出动这项条例,符合情况就会赔偿。”
据你所知?先不说你是不是个有信誉的人,单拿你对合约法的无知来说,你的所知就肯定没有意义了。
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