You Are Not Your Mind, 你不是你的"心".

三法印

这是一篇很好的文章, 作者Eckhart Tolle 应用了佛法而达至一种超然的见地.
        

You Are Not Your Mind
by Eckhart Tolle

Question: Enlightenment - what is that?
I love the Buddha's simple definition of enlightenment as a state where there is "the end of suffering." There is nothing superhuman in that, is there? It only tells you what enlightenment is not: no suffering .

He uses a negative definition so that the mind cannot make it into something to believe in or into a superhuman accomplishment, a goal that is impossible for you to attain. Despite this precaution, many Buddhists still believe that enlightenment is for the FEW, not for them, at least not in this lifetime .

Question: What is the greatest obstacle to experiencing this reality?

Identification with your mind, which causes thought to become compulsive. Not to be able to stop thinking is a dreadful affliction, but we don't realize this because almost everybody is suffering from it, so it is considered "normal". This incessant mental noise prevents you from finding that realm of inner stillness. It also creates a false mind-made self that casts a shadow of fear and suffering.

Thinking has become a disease. Disease happens when things get out of balance. For example, there is nothing wrong with cells dividing and multiplying in the body, but when this process continues in disregard of the total organism, cells proliferate and we have disease.

Note: The mind is a superb instrument if used rightly. Used wrongly, however, it becomes very destructive. To put it more accurately, it is not so much that you use your mind wrongly - you usually don't use it at all. It uses you. This is the disease.
You believe that you are your mind. This is the delusion. The instrument has taken you over.

Question: I don't quite agree. It is true that I do a lot of aimless thinking, like most people, but I can still choose to use my mind to get and accomplish things, and I do that all the time.
Just because you can solve a crossword puzzle or build an atom bomb doesn't mean that you use your mind. Just as dogs love to chew bones, the mind loves to get its teeth into problems. That's why it does crossword puzzles and builds atom bombs. You have no interest in either.

Let me ask you this: can you be free of your mind whenever you want to? Have you found the "off" button?

You mean stop thinking altogether? No, I can't, except maybe for a moment or two.
Then the mind is using you. You are unconsciously identified with it, so you don't even know that you are its slave. It's almost as if you were possessed without knowing it, and so you take the possessing entity to be yourself.

The beginning of freedom is the realization that you are not this possessing entity - the thinker.

Knowing this enables you to observe the entity. The moment you start watching the thinker, a higher level of consciousness becomes activated . You then begin to realize that there is a vast realm of intelligence beyond thought, that thought is only a tiny aspect of that intelligence. You also realize that all the things that truly matter - beauty, love, creativity, joy, inner peace - arise from beyond the mind.

You begin to awaken.

http://www.soulfulliving.com/not_your_mind.htm

[ 本帖最后由 三法印 于 13-6-2009 05:13 PM 编辑 ]

三法印

在这里Eckhart Tolle 把想蕴说成"心"虽然是一种错误的见解, 但他把想蕴如何骗我们, 奴役我们, 使我们认同想蕴就是我们的自我解释的很清楚, 而想蕴的分别和认为就使我们产生痛苦根源之一. Eckhart Tolle 也说到如何从想蕴分离出来进入一种"纯净的识" pure consciousness．（这就是梵的境界）这里就是很多修行者看到＂本性＂，＂佛性＂，＂真我＂．但"纯净的识" pure consciousness和涅盘又有何不同呢？不可说！！！！但这些是通过止观或听法能领悟的，而我们也能达到苦的永远止息．．．．

[ 本帖最后由 三法印 于 13-6-2009 05:58 PM 编辑 ]

Roy_Tantra5053

“mind”未必是“心”。

以Eckhart Tolle文章看来，他对"mind"的解释似乎是“思想”。

You Are Not Your Mind的意思是“你不是思想”。

小糊塗仙

THOUGHT字才 比较接近思想的范围吧

MIND会比较倾向於意识

作者，也可能把MIND和SELF画上等号了。。

三法印

你其实也对，很多人以为＂思想＂就是＂心＂．

你不是思想
You Are Not Your thought
You Are Not You think as you are
You Are Not Your perception

但因为我是佛教徒，对mind这个字比较偏向心解．．
mind是心，mindful是专心．
You Are Not Your Mind

不过不要去捉这些字，不如明白作者要表达的东西，若你能和他共鸣，那真的很好．．．

三法印

对，作者的You Are Not Your Mind的标题其实改成You Are Not Your thought 更加貼切．．
对了，你有看道你的想吗？

Roy_Tantra5053

原帖由 三法印 于 13-6-2009 06:19 PM 发表
你其实也对，很多人以为＂思想＂就是＂心＂．

你不是思想
You Are Not Your thought
You Are Not You think as you are
You Are Not Your perception

但因为我是佛教徒，对mind这个字比较偏向心解．．
mi ...

我不是反对你把mind理解为“心”，相反...我觉得可以大胆推敲出语文差异性是很棒的想法。


但其实Eckhart Tolle算是New Age哲学派的，受到心理学影响，他有self和ego的系统性分类，所以不难推论他一直表达的mind是在形容ego,简单的说....Identification with your mind, which causes thought to become compulsive. 或是...Let me ask you this: can you be free of your mind whenever you want to? Have you found the "off" button?这些句子都能展现作者在形容ego，只是没有直接说出来而已。

根据分析他的观点，我才推论他表达的mind正是指“思想”。

把作者的mind理解为佛教的“心”只怕会误解原意，比如用作者的想法诠释“心识”的话，就怪怪了。继续读下去就有可能误解Eckhart Tolle在污蔑佛法，但其实是翻译上的问题而已。

小糊塗仙

坦白说，有看到。。。

三法印

想被你看到．．
那你看到的想是怎样子的？描述一点看看．．．

小糊塗仙

原帖由 三法印 于 14-6-2009 11:56 AM 发表
想被你看到．．
那你看到的想是怎样子的？描述一点看看．．．

想的样子是无常的＋描述时的我其实非真我，所以，你要相信谁呢？

三法印

那个能看的当然非我, 不过它还是在那里, 想是无常的不过它还是在那里不是吗?
我们只是去检察它, ..

小糊塗仙

检查它是否还在那里的的行为最终也是苦，不是吗？

三法印

你在检查它的行为是一种被提醒的, 而检查后你明白它, 你就放下它, 那里会苦?

motion

原帖由 三法印 于 13-6-2009 05:04 PM 发表
Just because you can solve a crossword puzzle or build an atom bombdoesn't mean that you use your mind. Just as dogs love to chew bones,the mind loves to get its teeth into problems. That's why it doescrossword puzzles and builds atom bombs. You have no interest in either.

这一段很够力。真的是可以敲醒很多人，包括我。

原来，喜欢解决疑难、克服障碍、追求新科技、不能静下来、时时追求刺激的那颗“心”，不是“我”。而我却以为那就是“我”，一直以为是“我”在解决疑难、“我”在克服障碍、“我”在追求新科技、“我”在追求刺激。。。。。。

网络侠客

身口意之一
有些人注重于身体或语言上的业报，忽略了思想上的业报。

一念三千
当下生命的十界如何，在于一念如何。

小糊塗仙

原帖由 三法印 于 14-6-2009 01:19 PM 发表
你在检查它的行为是一种被提醒的, 而检查后你明白它, 你就放下它, 那里会苦?

佛曰：诸行是苦，应该是正确的吧？

三法印

诸行是苦这是第一箭, 我们躲不了, 那第二箭的苦才是要解决的...

网络侠客

原帖由 三法印 于 14-6-2009 01:19 PM 发表
你在检查它的行为是一种被提醒的, 而检查后你明白它, 你就放下它, 那里会苦?

这种是逃避吧。。。

小糊塗仙

原帖由 三法印 于 14-6-2009 03:14 PM 发表
诸行是苦这是第一箭, 我们躲不了, 那第二箭的苦才是要解决的...

那请问解决苦的方法是常还是无常？是苦是乐？

解决苦的人是有我还是无我？

三法印

怎样讲算逃避呢?。。。