你用多少资本投资股票（自己Manage的）？请踊跃投票！谢谢！

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请问你们用多少钱玩，投资，和或投机股票，不过是自己打理的，不包括用EPF的钱买的unit trust？

这笔钱包括standby和invested的，如你有50,000（通常50,000是比较好的开始capital），20%standy，80%invested，80%的50%speculative or short-term和30%long-term investment。

你们的expected return回利一年是多少？

我的capital资本比较少，大约15,000上下，只能买两到三个股，expected return平均一个月625，一年50%return or more，expected only。

请各位大大投投票，谢谢！

seiwei

我是新手，很可惜没有看答案这个选择呢。
不过我认为我过后应该是第一个选择吧。

treng87

本人starting capital = 50k, 一共投资8个月, 总回酬40%, 方式是买进好股，then hold atleast 1 or 2 quarter report release.....

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我是新手，很可惜没有看答案这个选择呢。
不过我认为我过后应该是第一个选择吧。
seiwei 发表于 5-10-2010 03:10 AM

我第一次开投票贴，不会放看答案这个选择，有谁可以教我。不过也可以零资本赚回利，可是不鼓励！等你有选则，请记得回来投票。

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本人starting capital = 50k, 一共投资8个月, 总回酬40%, 方式是买进好股，then hold atleast 1 or 2 quart ...
treng87 发表于 5-10-2010 07:46 AM

哗，40%回酬，很不错的回酬！50K能够几段收和放，能average，能守，有standby money补货，能大量买和大量卖，也能diversified，我15K相当的限制，所以要以动制静。不过若我capital再大的话，会趋向短期和长期投资。

Harry1125

我觉得figure不重要，应该把它换成%。 一个学生如果他用几千块投资，但已经是他的100%了。

seiwei

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你认为要是只有2k的资本可以开始投资股票吗？

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我觉得figure不重要，应该把它换成%。 一个学生如果他用几千块投资，但已经是他的100%了。
Harry1125 发表于 5-10-2010 09:41 AM

capital invested 是用figure，回酬率就用%。我想问大家amount of capital invested，回酬率已有帖了。

若能用几千赚100%回酬率，是相当的历害了，因为几千买股选择少赢面少，本不够多for average等。。。

若A用8,000 with 100% return, then the capital + return = 16,000。
若B用16,000 with 10% return, then the capital + return = 17,600。

到第二年，若A还是比B有想当高的回率，那A就是用少的capital赚到高的回报。

所以capital invested 和 rate of return 都很重要。

patrick9580

capital invested 是用figure，回酬率就用%。我想问大家amount of capital invested，回酬率已有帖了。 ...
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原來是這樣~~明白。謝謝大大

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你认为要是只有2k的资本可以开始投资股票吗？
seiwei 发表于 5-10-2010 01:02 PM

我写英文，华文拼音较慢。

In my opinion, you should get more than 5,000 or 6,000 for shares investment since:
1) since brokers commision can cost you about let's say 100 per transaction you brought and sold
2) choice so little since the enter price for most of shares are quite "expensive"
3) too little fund that may lead you to buy penny stocks which mostly are "high risks"
4) your selling price will be set at higher price as compared to buyers who purchased more lots than you who can easier earn money with few cents only (they set few bits whereby you set further more bits than them as it regard to the amount of invested, that's mean the more you invest in a share, the easier you can sell off in this fluctuating market, but the little you invest, the target price will be set much higher which take even long time than you expected or not even come)
5) only hold and wait, no additional money for average, when you has no more holding power or you need cash in urgent, then easier to lose money

Please consider few things i suggest before you buy shares:
1) dont buy PN17, GN3 companies (those got problems companies)
2) dont buy shares of companies with continuous year of business losses, let's say 3 years or more
3) dont buy shares of companies with big fluactuation in a short trading days, that brought up and down easily and sharply by speculative buyers
4) enter at low market price and sell off at high market price
5) be patience and think twice before buy, and before buy do analyis of the world economy, malaysia economy, company background, profitability, p/e ratio, assets & liabilities, cash flow, anouncements (existing and currrent), shares movements, major shareholders, any shares buyback or major shareholding changes, etc.
6) buy shares of companies with high dividend yield for long term investment when you have holding power
7) buy shares of companies with gradually growth
8) buy blue chip shares of companies with strong base and good prospects

Now i will consider as high peak of malaysia share index, maybe you can accumulate your fund first and when the recession time comes, then buy shares that might be 15%-30% cheaper than existing market prices, so please select few stocks and monitor, so when recession times come, you enter the market, when market is up, you exit the market. So now to accumuate funds to certain amount, then see which good shares you can buy with your available money and hold it till market rise up, so not only you can earn 5-10% you expected plus another 15-30% profit since you brought at right time.

For example, if you buy now, you get only 5-10% profit since market at high peak, when you buy at recession times, let'say few months later, when economy recovered, you will get 15-30% more, but at low risk as compared to high risk now, since most of shares are at high market prices and world economy not that stable, and government budget projects for infrastructure, including railways are overvalued, or maybe not as expected, etc.

But certain people also use little money to buy, but has to take risks since higher chance of lost money unless you buy at right time and sell at right time, but not encouraged to buy shares using little money.

BUT AT THE END, IT DEPEND ON YOU! BUT I DONT KNOW NOW HOW MUCH MINIMUM AMOUNT TO TRADE FOR SHARES ACCOUNT?

seiwei

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谢谢你的这番话，我copy下来了
虽然后面有一些我还不明白，例如

be patience and think twice before buy, and before buy do analyis of the world economy, malaysia economy, company background, profitability, p/e ratio, assets & liabilities, cash flow, anouncements (existing and currrent), shares movements, major shareholders, any shares buyback or major shareholding changes, etc

我highlight的有些不明白，可以教我怎么看吗？例如那个major shareholders和 shares buyback
还有 shareholding changes会怎么影响到股票呢？

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谢谢你的这番话，我copy下来了
虽然后面有一些我还不明白，例如



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seiwei 发表于 5-10-2010 09:55 PM

哈哈，我放到乱了，看看major shareholders是谁，若有institutional buyers投资，如EPF，finance companies买的话，应该可放多一些心，shareholding changes看看股东的变动，可能会给你一点info，如会privatised，going to PN17 soon等等，share buyback应该不用理他（我也不很懂），if company buyback shares, maybe privatised, lower down the shares volumes for public, etc.

其实我也不大会的，我都是随便看看，公司有赚钱就okay liao，等到开始阵脚大乱，我才看，很多formula，图我都不会或不明白（有时间要向其他大大偷师），可是我只懂得六个字：时机，忌贪，止亏！

seiwei

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可以从哪里知道 major shareholder 是谁？
如何知道是不是EPF，finance companies投资还是只是散户投资？

if company buyback shares, maybe privatised, lower down the shares volumes for public, etc

又如何知道是company buyback shares but not the institutional buyers?

还有你前面说道的PN17和GN3是什么？

不好意思。。。。。问了一大堆问题

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可以从哪里知道 major shareholder 是谁？
如何知道是不是EPF，finance companies投资还是只是散户投资？
又如何知道是company buyback shares but not the institutional buyers?

seiwei 发表于 6-10-2010 01:52 PM

normally i use the star online for retrieving company information since i dont have those bank or securities firm's share software, including HLebroking, BursaStation, Maybank online share trading, etc.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/marketwatch/charts/l.asp?code=7164~KNM&p1=0.505&p2=0.505&p3=0.51&p4=0.495&p5=0.505&p6=0&p7=0.00&p8=106225&p9=8.606
for example, i posted a link that you can check financial results, fundamentals, shareholding changes/major shareholders, etc but you must create a login name and password first before retrieving info, free for usage for registered users

you also can use bloomberg businessweek to check company data (if not mistaken it's for international-wise), today i had accidentally found this website thru google search since i am also new about how to do data research, haha!

http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/financials/financials.asp?ticker=TOPG:MK&dataset=incomeStatement&period=Q¤cy=native
for example, you can use that website to retrieve qtrly results for Top Glove. To search another, just quote company name. This website gives a lot of useful information.

PLEASE DO EXPLORE THESE TWO WEBSITE AND YOU WILL FIND WHAT THE INFORMATION YOU MIGHT NEED!

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还有你前面说道的PN17和GN3是什么？

seiwei 发表于 6-10-2010 01:52 PM

I only know PN17 and GN3 is problem company, haha!

okay, google search for you, maybe next time you can google yourself by typing the keyworld.

PN17 stands for Practice Note 17/2005 and is issued by Bursa Malaysia; relating to companies that are in financial distress. Companies that fall within the definition of PN17 will need to submit their proposal to the Approving Authority to restructure and revive the company in order to maintain the listing status.


Criteria for a listed company to be classified as a PN17 company are as follows:-

• Shareholders’ fund is equal or less than 25% of the total issued and paid up capital of the listed company; or
• Receivers and/or managers have been appointed to take control of at least 50% of the total assets employed of the listed company on a consolidated basis; or
• Winding up of a subsidiary or associate company which makes up at least 50% of the total assets employed of the listed company on a consolidated basis; or
• The auditors have expressed adverse or disclaimer opinion on the listed company’s latest audited accounts; or
• For any default in payment, the listed company must announce its inability to provide a solvency declaration through Practice Note 1/2001 or PN1; or
• The listed company has suspended or ceased all or a major part of its operations.

There are many reasons and circumstances for a listed company to fall under the classification of PN17. For example, some cases are classified as PN17 due to external factors such as currency fluctuation and economic forecasts.

A company (listed in ACE board, if not mistaken) designated as an Affected Listed Company because its poor or adverse financial condition and level of operations fall into the criteria described in Bursa Malaysia's Guidance Note 3 (GN3).

please refer to bursa malaysia websute for PN17 and GN3 companies, http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/listed_companies/list_of_companies/pn17_companies.html
http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/listed_companies/list_of_companies/gn3_companies.html

seiwei

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谢谢！你帮了我很多呢

对不起啊 PN和GN还要你spoodfeed了
下次我会自己try Google了

等我发现我有任何疑问的时候我再来问你
再次感谢你！！

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谢谢！你帮了我很多呢

对不起啊 PN和GN还要你spoodfeed了
下次我会自 ...
seiwei 发表于 6-10-2010 05:54 PM

可以，没问题，不过我是半桶水那种，哈哈！祝你股股高升（不要用斜音读哦！）

可能分分钟你会变成我的师傅哦！到时我就要请教你了！因为旅游我比较热诚些，股票我没有那么consistent投入！不过我把capital (either initial or re-invested) 放成15等级，明年尾我会上到第八等级，后年尾会上到11等级，五到六年希望能上到1 million （我的Target），到时我会click 1 million capital fund at 5th or 6th year later。我乱了！

seiwei

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哇～还分那么多等级，果然厉害！

我不可能啦，现在还在读书着～明年年头才毕业
做工后几个月才有本钱可以开始呢～呵呵
所以股股高升应该是我祝你的

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哇～还分那么多等级，果然厉害！

我不可能啦，现在还在读书着～明年年头才毕业
做工 ...
seiwei 发表于 6-10-2010 09:07 PM

哗，那么快reply，你很得空leh。。。。

对了，bursa malaysia的网站也要看看哦，有很多料，新鲜的料也有！

seiwei

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呵呵，现在就在电脑面前嘛，要做学校功课research

新鲜的料？例如什么？

junhy

用了近RM30000在股票里。2006年年尾开始至现在。起始资本是RM3000。Standby资金没放很多，因为每次卖了股票，看见trust account有钱就忍不住要买，所以只放区区10%。不过每几个月会放一些用剩的工钱进trust account，就是希望像楼主在第五楼所说的，把capital放大。

资金太少，像楼主的RM15000，真的要守，要攻就比较难。希望能尽快到50千，那就能把资金运用自如。expected return也希望是50%，不过要做到这样，speculative实在有必要。